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#2016962 - Yesterday at 05:23 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
PHOGUSHER Offline
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Registered: 11/01/05
Loc: Western Kansas Hinderlands
Was posting about Self. Now its turned into this stupid bull...s.hit. Self is a great B12 coach..a mediocre tournament coach. FACT...BOOM...DROPS MIKE.
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#2016963 - Today at 08:14 AM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Registered: 03/27/05
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He definitely underwhelms compared to his seeding. Hopefully he gets it figured out in the tourney, and we start going to the final four or further more than once every 5-7 years.
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#2016964 - Today at 08:43 AM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Registered: 11/01/05
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I remember in the 90s Carolina went 5 times and we went twice. Man I was envious of the Turdheels back then. Guess I still am. Can beat them str8 up but they just know how to get to the F4 better.


Edited by PHOGUSHER (Today at 08:43 AM)
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#2016965 - Today at 03:31 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: dgless21]
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Registered: 05/22/08
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Originally Posted By: dgless21
He definitely underwhelms compared to his seeding. Hopefully he gets it figured out in the tourney, and we start going to the final four or further more than once every 5-7 years.
Very few other HOF type coaches out there to bring in as his replacement. Just this grateful fan's opine.

At least he didn't just win one meaningful game and get his salary immediately doubled.
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#2016967 - Today at 04:50 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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John Brown

Registered: 01/18/08
Time to cause a little more gnashing of teeth and empty headed screaming by those that enjoy doing so. I suspect that an equal number, or more, enjoy looking at my stats. This post is for them. There’s no doubt that the best NCCA basketball team does not always win the championship. Here’s some more stats that give us a picture of the entire NCAA Tourney history. The facts are objective. The interpretations anyone makes from them is at least somewhat subjective.

The following stats are divided into four sections of 20 years for the first 60 tourneys and 19 for the last set making 79 years total of the championship teams and their win/loss records. They are then divided to show teams with zero losses, 1-3 losses, 4-6 losses, 7-9 losses and double digit losses. The information to the right shows the total and average of wins/losses and total and average games played. You can see that the average games played have moved from 30 per year to 39. Any discrepancies are due to rounding off.

1939 - 1958 Championship:
Teams with:. . 0 losses — 2 . .Total Wins/Losses of Champs:
Teams with: 1-3 losses – 11 . . . . . . 547 - 59 = 606 games
Teams with: 4-6 losses — 6 . .Average Wins/Losses of Champs:
Teams with: 7-9 losses — 1 . . . . . .27 - 3 = 30 games averaged
Teams with: DD losses— 0

1959 - 1978 Championship:
Teams with:. . 0 losses — 5 . .Total Wins/Losses of Champs:
Teams with: 1-3 losses – 13 . . . . . . 571 - 35 = 606 games
Teams with: 4-6 losses — 1 . .Average Wins/Losses of Champs:
Teams with: 7-9 losses — 1 . . . . . .29 - 2 = 31 games averaged
Teams with: DD losses — 0

1979 - 1998 Championship:
Teams with:. . 0 losses — 0 . .Total Wins/Losses of Champs:
Teams with: 1-3 losses — 7 . . . . . . 611 - 110 = 721 games
Teams with: 4-6 losses — 5 . .Average Wins/Losses of Champs:
Teams with: 7-9 losses — 5 . . . . . . 31 - 6 = 37 games averaged
Teams with: DD losses — 3

1999 - 2017 Championship:
Teams with:. . 0 losses — 0 . .Total Wins/Losses of Champs:
Teams with: 1-3 losses — 3 . . . . . . 643 - 99 = 742 games
Teams with: 4-6 losses – 12 . .Average Wins/Losses of Champs:
Teams with: 7-9 losses — 4 . . . . . . 34 - 5 = 39 games averaged
Teams with: DD losses — 0

From these stats we can probably assume that teams with zero losses were the best teams for that year. So were the teams with 1-3 losses, but not quite as certain. Teams with double digit losses were most likely not the best team of that year and the others with 4-9 losses are iffy in some cases. Just two examples show the likelihood that the best do not always win. In 2014 UConn (32-8) beat UK (38-1) in the championship game and in 1991 Duke (32-7) beat UNLV (34-1) in the simi-final game. In all likelihood the better teams did not win in those two years. In fact this is most likely true several times during the 79 years. Teams that had 0-3 losses won the championship 41 times and teams that had 4-11 losses won 38 times. There’s no way that teams with double digit losses were the best teams that year, but they won the necessary games through the tournament and became the champs. That’s not to say that the tournament isn’t exciting, it truly is, and part of the excitement is with such teams becoming the champs. So winning the tournament doesn’t necessarily mean the best team won. I don’t think anyone would argue against that. It’s really a crap shoot at times! At other times it is probably quite accurate.

Note the following stat for the tourney champs:

Total losses . . Number of times the champ
. . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7
. .1 - 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .34
. .4 - 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .24
. .7 - 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11
. .D. D. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3

For those wondering who the teams were and don’t want to take the time to look it up, I’ve listed the champs and their records for each season:

1939 Ore. . . .29 - 5 . . . 1940 Ind. . . . 20 - 3 . . . 1941 Wisc. . 20 - 3
1942 Stanf. . 28 - 4 . . . 1943 Wyom. .31 - 2 . . . 1944 Utah . . 21 - 4
1945 Ok St. . 27 - 2 . . . 1946 Ok St. . 31 - 2 . . . 1947 Hol C. .27 - 3
1948 UK . . . 36 - 3 . . . 1949 UK . . . . 32 -2 . . . 1950 CCNY 24 - 5
1951 UK . . . 32 - 2 . . . 1952 KU . . . . 28 - 3. . . 1953 Ind. . . .23 - 3
1954 La Sal .26 - 4 . . . 1955 San F. . . 28 - 1. . . 1956 San. F. .29 - 0
1957 UNC . .32 - 0 . . . 1958 UK . . . . 23 - 6. . . 1959 Cal. . . .25 - 4
1960 Oh.St. .25 - 3 . . . 1961 Cin. . . . .27 - 3. . . 1962 Cin. . . .29 - 2
1963 Loy. Il. 29 - 2. . . .1964 UCLA . .30 - 0. . . 1965 UCLA .28 - 2
1966 UTEP. 28 - 1. . . .1967 UCLA . . 30 - 0. . . 1968 UCLA. 29 - 1
1969 UCLA. .29 - 1. . . .1970 UCLA . . 28 - 2. . . 1971 UCLA. 29 - 1
1972 UCLA. .30 - 0. . . .1973 UCLA . . 30 - 0. . . 1974 NC St. .30 - 1
1975 UCLA. 28 - 3. . . .1976 Ind. . . . . 30 - 0. . . 1977 MaryL. 25 - 7
1978 UK . . . 30 - 2. . . .1979 Mich. St.26 - 6. . . 1980 LouisV 32 - 3
1981 Ind. . . . 26 - 9. . . .1982 UNC. . . 32 - 2. . . 1983 NC St. .26 -10
1984 G.town.34 - 3. . . . 1985 Vil. . . . 25 -10. . . 1986 LouisV.32 - 7
1987 Ind. . . .30 - 4 . . . .1988 KU. . . . 27 -11. . . 1989 Mich. . 30 - 7
1990 UNLV .35 - 5 . . . .1991 Duke. . . 32 - 7. . . 1992 Duke . . 34 - 2
1993 UNC . .34 - 4 . . . .1994 Ark. . . . 31 - 3. . . 1995 UCLA . 31 - 2
1996 UK . . . 34 - 2 . . . .1997 AZ . . . . 25 - 9. . . 1998 UK . . . .35 - 4
1999 UConn.34 - 2 . . . .2000 Mich.St. 32 - 7. . . 2001 Duke. . .35 - 4
2002 MaryL. 32 - 4 . . . .2003 Syracu. .30 - 5. . . 2004 UConn. 33 - 6
2005 UNC . .33 - 4 . . . .2006 Florida . 33 - 6. . . 2007 Florida. 35 - 5
2008 KU . . . 37 - 3 . . . .2009 UNC . . .34 - 4. . . 2010 Duke . . 35 - 5
2011 UConn.32 - 9 . . . .2012 UK . . . . 38 - 2 . . .2013 LouisV. 35 - 5
2014 UConn.32 - 8 . . . .2015 Duke. . . 35 - 4 . . .2016 Vil. . . . .35 - 5
2017 UNC . .33 - 7


Edited by Jayhawk1952 (Today at 07:56 PM)

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#2016968 - Today at 05:21 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
PHOGUSHER Offline
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Registered: 11/01/05
Loc: Western Kansas Hinderlands
Errr...uhhhh...ok. Oh and it's gnashing of teeth...not gashing of teeth. You're welcome.
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#2016971 - Today at 08:00 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: PHOGUSHER]
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John Brown

Registered: 01/18/08
Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Errr...uhhhh...ok. Oh and it's gnashing of teeth...not gashing of teeth. You're welcome.
Sorry. Typo. Thanks. Fixed.

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#2016972 - Today at 08:45 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
PHOGUSHER Offline
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Registered: 11/01/05
Loc: Western Kansas Hinderlands
No problem. And did you really have to type all that out only to prove that the teams with superior win seasons won more championships. In other words simple logic. Not too sure what you were going for with that lengthy diatribe.
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#2016973 - Today at 10:35 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: PHOGUSHER]
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John Brown

Registered: 01/18/08
Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
No problem. And did you really have to type all that out only to prove that the teams with superior win seasons won more championships. In other words simple logic. Not too sure what you were going for with that lengthy diatribe.


Just having a little fun to begin with. Also, I like to see things in black and white. Sometimes we learn something when all the stats are laid out before us. It verified what I already knew and I saw some things that I didn't know before. I was a bit surprised that almost half of the champs lost 4 or more games during the season and almost 20% lost 6 or more games. It was also interesting to note that during the first 38 seasons there were 7 seasons in which the champ lost zero games. The past 41 seasons there have been zero who have had a non-losing season.

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