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#951796 - 09/24/09 01:00 PM KU Talent?
kswanzy Offline
Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 09/21/09
Loc: ms
How would you guys say this KU team stacks up not only with talent, but as a whole over the past 3-4 seasons.....minus Reesing?

As a Southern Miss fan, this is our most talented team since the 1999 season in which we were ranked 13th in the nation. But we are very young. That team had 7 starters that were drafted to the NFL in 2000 and 2001. THis team has that kind of talent....most of it being underclassman. With that being said, not enough of that talent is on the Dline, which makes me nervous to watch Reesing if given too much time. Our dline is very fast and have had some surprising success at getting after the qb, but tend to over pursue...and with Reesing, that spells TROUBLE.

In my opinion, if we win the turnover battle(which we havnet lately), are able to run the ball well( like we have) and get some pressure on Reesing(BUT KEEP HIM IN THE POCKET), we will have a good chance. Also, im hoping Deandre Brown(who was a 5 star recruit, and 3rd ranked wr prospect in 2008 behind only Julio Jones,and AJ Green) gets back to form as we will need him!!! He led the nation last year as a freshman with 1117 yards and 12 tds. However, since that injury he has added 15 lbs of muscle (6'6"243lbs) and has trouble gettng into game shape. For those that dont know, he broke his leg in a gruesome injury in the New Orleans Bowl last year. If you guys havent seen the injury....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGmT2jeVzFs&feature=PlayList&p=2FA06FB603BF5B1A&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=23

Good Luck and it has been fun talking a little trash this week.



Edited by kswanzy (09/24/09 01:06 PM)

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#951797 - 09/24/09 01:03 PM Re: KU Talent? [Re: kswanzy]
sdoyel Offline
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Registered: 09/23/03
Loc: Dallas
You know the saying "you can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him"? Well, you can't contain Reesing either. As long as he isn't making dumb mistakes throwing the ball where he shouldn't, Reesing can and will light up just about every opposing defense.

USM is in a pickle. Do you rely on your stout run D and let KU pass or do you drop everyone into coverage and hope your d-line alone can stop the KU rushing attack?

Either way, KU creates a huge matchup problem with USM. Expect both teams to trade punches early, but KU will simply wear this USM team out IMO.

You will WANT to rely on your RB, but after you fall behind a score or two, can your young QB get the job done? I dont think so.
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#951798 - 09/24/09 01:06 PM Re: KU Talent? [Re: kswanzy]
mdfraz Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 01/15/09
Loc: Lawrence
The fact that Jake Sharp hardly played the other day and Toben Opurum, true freshman, stepped in and the game plan didn't change a bit shows the depth that we are starting to build. Same thing when Dez Briscoe sat out the first game; we relied more on Jonathan Wilson and true frosh Bradley McDougald. Kale Pick has seen a lot of mop up duty, so he's getting game reps and has looked pretty good, although he hasn't thrown much at all.

On defense, we are seeing a lot of young talent getting playing time, and we are especially rotating a lot of guys through on the D line and LB spots. It would be nice to have the "go to" guys on defense, but having so many guys rotate through shows me two things: 1) we have a lot of depth so that if one guy goes down for some reason, someone with decent experience/talent can step right in and 2) we shouldn't have a lot of problems with fatigue since so many guys are getting snaps.

We have had talented players come through in the past 5-10 years, but we haven't had the talent backing them up that we are seeing now.

You are right that if you can pressure Reesing, you may be in decent shape. Problem is, as you and several of your friends have noted, getting pressure on Todd, as tough as it is, can actually invite disaster sometimes. Very few teams have been able to rattle or hold Todd down on a regular basis.

Offenses should be on display Saturday. Let's hope for a good game and a Jayhawk victory.
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#951799 - 09/24/09 01:08 PM Re: KU Talent? [Re: sdoyel]
kswanzy Offline
Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 09/21/09
Loc: ms
I expect us to blitz early and often and we better get to him immediately....but that leaves somevery talented wr's basically 1 on 1. Our offense better be on top of its game!

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#951800 - 09/24/09 01:11 PM Re: KU Talent? [Re: kswanzy]
JayhawkJules Offline
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Registered: 11/16/07
Loc: Johnson County!
USM can blitz Todd all they want, but they also have to TACKLE him. Therein lies the problem. The kid is crafty!
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#951801 - 09/24/09 01:11 PM Re: KU Talent? [Re: kswanzy]
mdfraz Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 01/15/09
Loc: Lawrence
Yeah as sdoyel says, teams facing KU are in a quandary. We aren't an explosive running team, especially if Sharp doesn't play (yes, I know about the first two games......), but we are solid enough that if you drop a bunch of people to stop the passing game, we will run on you. In fact, that's what happened the first couple games and the result was 250+ rushing yards.

If you pressure Todd, you are right, you better get him right away, b/c if you don't, even if your guys weren't one on one with our receivers (which they will be in most blitzes), Todd scrambling is when he is most dangerous. If he avoids the initial rush, look out.
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#951802 - 09/24/09 01:31 PM Re: KU Talent? [Re: mdfraz]
max4 Offline
spacey

Registered: 08/21/08
Loc: North Mexico
You have to wonder about the USM defense when they give up to 34 to a Virginia team that scored 14 vs William and Mary.
I think offensively USM will do some nice things but their defense better get better in a hurry or it could be a long day for them.
This could be a pretty high scoring affair
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#951803 - 09/24/09 01:40 PM Re: KU Talent? [Re: mdfraz]
jhawk0097 Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 04/15/03
Definitely more physically talented now compared to 4 years ago w/ a lot of young, unproven guys. Time will tell if they're actually good football players. KU isn't going away any time soon.
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#951804 - 09/24/09 01:42 PM Re: KU Talent? [Re: max4]
kswanzy Offline
Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 09/21/09
Loc: ms
We did give up 34 to Virginia but our coaches prepared to stop the spread in which theyve used the first 2 games. To everyones surprise they came in and ran their old offense. With that being said, we gave up 27 in the 1st half, and then came back in the second half and shut them down to only 7 points in the 2nd half. Our coaches are very good at 2nd half adjustments.

As bad as we played in this game, it was very good to see us come back from34-17 with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.

The good thing for us, is that your offense is that good where there is no worry about the KU offense being tweaked. However, if we get behind Kansas 17 points, it will be an extremely long day!

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#951805 - 09/24/09 02:56 PM If you blitz early and often.... [Re: kswanzy]
John_Brown Offline
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Registered: 08/29/02
Loc: Newton Kansas
KU will score early and often. Blitzing against Reesing w/ Meier/Briscoe is a disaster. Best bet for USM is to drop into a zone, keep everything in front of you and make Sharp earn it.

On USM's offense, they'll see the most physical D-line they'll see this year. KU is thin at LBer and our D-backs have spent the week fighting w/ the MBB team. But we're a solid two deep w/ two potential Big 12 stars in Onyegebule and Laptad. KU has also been stunting outta a four man front w/ great success so USM's O-line better maintain gaps or someone will get hurt.
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#951806 - 09/24/09 03:01 PM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: John_Brown]
somiss87 Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 09/21/09
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KU will score early and often. Blitzing against Reesing w/ Meier/Briscoe is a disaster. Best bet for USM is to drop into a zone, keep everything in front of you and make Sharp earn it.






No offense, but this philosophy is why the B12 sucks at defense.

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#951807 - 09/24/09 03:12 PM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: somiss87]
KMan_24 Offline
US Marshal, Kansas Territory

Registered: 05/26/05
Wrong! The Big XII struggles to contain offenses because this conference has the BEST QBs in the entire country. It has the best playmakers, No huddle spreads. You can't stop Big XII offenses cold turkey. Your best bet is to keep everything in front of you, aka bend but don't break. The good teams in the conference have had no trouble shutting teams down in this early season, just like last season.

You know, defensive numbers always look better when the old men coaching in the south sit on the ball the whole game.
Tell me, has USM been keeping it vanilla or is there another reason why they have run the ball 60 more times than they have passed?

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#951808 - 09/24/09 03:13 PM Well, go ahead and try. [Re: somiss87]
John_Brown Offline
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Registered: 08/29/02
Loc: Newton Kansas
You're about to learn why the Big 12 sucks on defense. Go one-on-one on Briscoe and you're asking for it.

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#951809 - 09/24/09 03:18 PM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: KMan_24]
somiss87 Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 09/21/09
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Wrong! The Big XII struggles to contain offenses because this conference has the BEST QBs in the entire country. It has the best playmakers, No huddle spreads. You can't stop Big XII offenses cold turkey. Your best bet is to keep everything in front of you, aka bend but don't break. The good teams in the conference have had no trouble shutting teams down in this early season, just like last season.

You know, defensive numbers always look better when the old men coaching in the south sit on the ball the whole game.
Tell me, has USM been keeping it vanilla or is there another reason why they have run the ball 60 more times than they have passed?




I have watched the B12 get shut down by good defenses before. Last year's Cotton Bowl was a good example. Ole Miss brought the pressure and golden boy Harrell couldn't do anything. Same thing happened when Bama played TT a few years back. If you play solid man to man and get to the quarterback quickly, he won't hurt you as bad as he would if you just let him make completions and get a rhythm going. Playing Qb is all about rhythm. Break it and you break him.

Now that has nothing to do with the fact that we probably won't be able to get to Reesing good enough.

And we run the ball more than we pass because we average about 7 yards/carry.

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#951810 - 09/24/09 03:39 PM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: somiss87]
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Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Actually, Southern Miss has 743 yards on 143 carries for 5.20 yards per carry. KU on the other hand has 735 yards on 120 carries for 6.13 yards per carry.

As far as talent. I'd say KU has more talent at QB, WR(you've got one really good one, but we've got 2 really good ones and we have 3 other very talented guys who I think are better than your next 3 in line), TE(you all might have more proven depth), C, OG(in C and OG, you guys might have more experienced depth, but I think we have more talented depth), DE, S(we've got a potential All-American and returning 2008 1st team All-Big 12 one), and CB(lots of talented depth, but some youth for us and this may be close talent wise) than Southern Miss. OT, DT, and LB, I just don't know enough about at Southern Miss. to make a comparison and at RB we've got as good or better talent on the 2 deep(in Big 12 play our starter last year was #3 overall in the Big 12 and our true freshman is really good racking up 275 yards and 5 TDs as the #2 RB so far), but you've got guys with more experience(overall) and 1 guy who has some impressive numbers so this too may be very close. Not dogging on your talent, because like I said before I think it's good, but I just think KU has more overall and if you believe recruiting class rankings they show KU's incoming recruits being more talented over the past 5 years as well.
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#951811 - 09/24/09 03:54 PM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: Kman_blue]
somiss87 Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 09/21/09
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Actually, Southern Miss has 743 yards on 143 carries for 5.20 yards per carry. KU on the other hand has 735 yards on 120 carries for 6.13 yards per carry.






I did my calculations by only considering only the running backs and got 7.14 yards/carry for USM. Using the same logic KU averages 5.3 yards/carry. FWIW

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#951812 - 09/24/09 03:54 PM Watching a couple of Texas Tech.... [Re: somiss87]
John_Brown Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/29/02
Loc: Newton Kansas
games over 5 years ain't the whole picture. Texas Tech probably has about the same talent as KU. It has less talent than Bama/Ole Miss. If you throw a quality D-line w/ alot of speed at Tech and don't have to blitz, you will win. Once you start blitzing to put pressure on the Tech QB (or Reesing for that matter), these spread QBs will find the mismatches and make you pay.

If I were guessing, I'd say KU has about the same talent as USM. Therefore, you will not beat KU's Oline w/ a 4 man rush. So you have two choices: (1)blitz and see if Reesing finds the mismatches, (2)drop 8, sit in a zone and keep everything in front of you and make KU run the ball. Now, Reesing has won 23 games in the last 2 years 'cause coaches keep thinking that can blitz him and get him off his timing. KU has not won 23 games 'cause Jake Sharp beat the hell outta em on the ground.

I'd simply pick the Jake Sharp option if I were USM.

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#951813 - 09/24/09 04:06 PM Re: Watching a couple of Texas Tech.... [Re: John_Brown]
somiss87 Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 09/21/09
Good defenses can blitz one extra player and get pressure on the QB. If you are sending 8 every time, the offense will scorch you with dumpoffs. But if you use some creativity and find the weakness in the offensive line each play, you can effectively send that one extra guy. Remember, blitzing isn't always about sacking the Qb. Its more about busting through the line and making the Qb adjust which causes him to take his eyes off the receivers and secondary. If you can get his attention on a play, he will lose sight of the play.

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#951814 - 09/24/09 04:09 PM Re: Watching a couple of Texas Tech.... [Re: somiss87]
JayhawkJules Offline
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Registered: 11/16/07
Loc: Johnson County!
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Remember, blitzing isn't always about sacking the Qb. Its more about busting through the line and making the Qb adjust which causes him to take his eyes off the receivers and secondary. If you can get his attention on a play, he will lose sight of the play.


Oh, this is going to be fun on Saturday! Have you watched KU play in the last couple of years? Reesing is just about as good as it gets.
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#951815 - 09/24/09 04:12 PM Re: Watching a couple of Texas Tech.... [Re: JayhawkJules]
somiss87 Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 09/21/09
Quote:

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Remember, blitzing isn't always about sacking the Qb. Its more about busting through the line and making the Qb adjust which causes him to take his eyes off the receivers and secondary. If you can get his attention on a play, he will lose sight of the play.


Oh, this is going to be fun on Saturday! Have you watched KU play in the last couple of years? Reesing is just about as good as it gets.




I've already said that we probably won't be effective against Reesing, although we've been pretty good at getting pressure this year. But sitting back and let him complete uncontested passes is not a viable option either.

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#951816 - 09/24/09 04:29 PM Re: Watching a couple of Texas Tech.... [Re: somiss87]
KMan_24 Offline
US Marshal, Kansas Territory

Registered: 05/26/05
Ole Miss did NOT shut down Texas Tech. They gave up 34 points (the most they gave up all year) and they gave up 364 yards passing. And they had a month to prepare for it on top of that. If an SEC defense had to face that each and every week with every offense they faced, their pass defense would give up an average of over 300 yards a game. And no one would be talking about how good their defense looked.

But they don't worry about that. In the SEC, all the coaches are old men who play football like it is 1950. They don't believe in the forward pass. They don't believe in no huddle. They equate spread formation to gimmick football. They may be right, but the gimmicky spread offenses are hardly ever boring. The OCs in the SEC do nothing to challenge the minds of DCs. They just line it up and try to run over the other team while burning up the clock.

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#951817 - 09/24/09 04:31 PM Re: Watching a couple of Texas Tech.... [Re: somiss87]
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Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
If you look at your primary RB he has 344 yards on 66 carries for 5.21 yards per carry. Your #2 RB has 11 carries for 168 yards for a ridiculous 15.27 yards per carry but that mostly all came off a 3 carries for 101 yards performance against UVA. What the heck happened there? They just forget to tackle him on a couple of runs or something? Anyways, your QB has 31(over 1/5 of your total carries) rushes for 32 yards for 1.03 yards per carry. Sure a lot of that is sacks, but that's still not good. That gives your 3 primary ball carriers 108 rushes for 544 yards for 5.04 yards per rush.

Our QB, Todd Reesing, has 24 rushes(exactly 1/5 of our carries) for 115 yards for 4.79 yards per rush. Our primary RB, Jake Sharp, has 42 carries for 240 yards for 5.71 yards per rush. Our #2 RB, Toben Opurum, has 41 carries for 211 yards for 5.15 yards per carry. That gives our 3 primary ball carriers 107 rushes for 566 yards for 5.29 yards per rush. Our wild card is our very quick and fast backup QB who has 6 rushes for 152 yards for an insane 25.33 yards per carry.
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#951818 - 09/24/09 04:32 PM Re: Watching a couple of Texas Tech.... [Re: KMan_24]
jayhawk1996 Offline
Pure Jayhawk

Registered: 09/10/08
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Quote:

. In the SEC, all the coaches are old men who play football like it is 1950. They don't believe in the forward pass.



Have you seen Arkansas under Patrino? They can't play defense, but they have the best passer in college football.
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#951819 - 09/24/09 04:36 PM Re: Watching a couple of Texas Tech.... [Re: jayhawk1996]
stevemize Offline
Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 08/17/05
Loc: World Golf Village, FL
They played Georgia last week. UGA sucks this year. Hell South Carolina looked good against them.
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#951820 - 09/24/09 05:55 PM Re: Watching a couple of Texas Tech.... [Re: jayhawk1996]
theno1kufan Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 04/09/09
Loc: Lawrence, KS
Quote:

Quote:

. In the SEC, all the coaches are old men who play football like it is 1950. They don't believe in the forward pass.



Have you seen Arkansas under Patrino? They can't play defense, but they have the best passer in college football.
If you missed their show last week, be sure to catch it again on Saturday at Bama on CBS.




uh florida anyone?

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#951821 - 09/24/09 08:12 PM Re: Watching a couple of Texas Tech.... [Re: theno1kufan]
rockymtnjhawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/08/02
Loc: Colorado
I agree with the sentiment that Southern Miss will hang around for a half, but in the end, they will not be able to keep up.

Unless.....KU has a turnover problem. The Jayhawks have done a decent job of taking care of the ball and hopefully, will continue to do so.

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#951822 - 09/24/09 09:20 PM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: Kman_blue]
kswanzy Offline
Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 09/21/09
Loc: ms
I think we seen that Oklahoma agaisnt Fla's defense last year as well, but thats beside the point.

After watching the Duke game and a few games last year, I think we stack up the following.

QB-Kan
RB-USM
WR-Kansas(youre right we have one true stud, but KU has better starting depth
TE-Push(havnet seen enough)
Oline-KU but not by much(Our starting 5 are very solid but not much depth
Dline-KU
LB-USM(This is one of our stregnths year in and year out.)
DB-(KU)We have a veteran group but was dissapointed against UVA.
KKU(I'll take anyones kicker over ours.)

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#951823 - 09/24/09 09:24 PM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: kswanzy]
kswanzy Offline
Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 09/21/09
Loc: ms


"I agree with the sentiment that Southern Miss will hang around for a half, but in the end, they will not be able to keep up. "

Tell me whats your reasoning for this. I am curious to know. Please dont say depth! If you say that, then you havent done your homework.

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#951824 - 09/24/09 09:34 PM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: kswanzy]
hawkinTexas Offline
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Registered: 11/22/07
Loc: Houston, TX
It's funny that you say you'll take anyone's kicker over yours. Most people here are pretty unhappy with our kicker. He has very little range and has had accuracy problems the last couple weeks within his limited range.

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#951825 - 09/24/09 09:37 PM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: hawkinTexas]
Jphog Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 07/14/06
Loc: Lawrence
Now now...he may miss a few FGs, but I challenge you to find another kicker that can tackle like him!

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#951826 - 09/24/09 09:38 PM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: Jphog]
hawkinTexas Offline
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Registered: 11/22/07
Loc: Houston, TX
He sure got some good tackles against missou last year.

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#951827 - 09/25/09 02:13 AM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: kswanzy]
trojanhawk Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 11/06/05
Loc: LA, CA
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"I agree with the sentiment that Southern Miss will hang around for a half, but in the end, they will not be able to keep up. "

Tell me whats your reasoning for this. I am curious to know. Please dont say depth! If you say that, then you havent done your homework.




Why do you need him to explain? You already said KU has the edge everywhere except for RB and LB.
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#951828 - 09/25/09 10:56 AM Re: If you blitz early and often.... [Re: trojanhawk]
max4 Offline
spacey

Registered: 08/21/08
Loc: North Mexico
I think KU will get a few stops on defense and I don't think USM will get many, it's that simple. It will be high scoring but KU will get more stops on defense.
KU 45 USM 24
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#951829 - 09/25/09 12:40 PM On the offensive line. [Re: kswanzy]
John_Brown Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/29/02
Loc: Newton Kansas
Depending on how you score Missoura/Okie State, KU probably has the 3rd or 4th best O line in the Big 12 (OU/Tejas are lights out in this area). They are young but they are in rock solid shape and have all been in the program 3 to 5 years. Outside of some bad snaps w/ the #2 center in the UTEP game (#1 center was barfing on the sideline w/ the flu), those guys have graded very high. And their coach, the Buddha, is obsessed w/ his offensive lines. He knows what he's doing. When he was the O line coach at Ksuck, he had one starting group where all 5 made NFL rosters and a couple of those guys are still playing for money 12 years later. If USM's O line grades out like the Red Leggers in the trenches tomorrow, I'll be impressed.

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#951830 - 09/25/09 08:49 PM Re: On the offensive line. [Re: John_Brown]
yovoy Offline
Pure Jayhawk

Registered: 08/31/02
Loc: running amok
i think usm's speed will be the great equalizer, and that speed makes me nervous about this game. their speed had me calling this game a toss-up 2 weeks ago.

that said, sparky has had 2 kind of ugly games the last couple of weeks, and he hasn't looked like himself. i doubt he'll look that way 3 times in a row. i look for him to have a good game. usm still has lots of speed, so i'm still scared.

hope we start showing up ready to play. we haven't looked that hot as of late.

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#951831 - 09/25/09 08:57 PM Re: On the offensive line. [Re: yovoy]
rockymtnjhawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/08/02
Loc: Colorado
I do think future KU recruiting classes have to continue to get faster, but we are further along with the speed than we have been.

We should be ok. Focus, execute, and take care of the ball. If we do that, we will be good.

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#951832 - 09/25/09 09:08 PM Re: On the offensive line. [Re: rockymtnjhawk]
yovoy Offline
Pure Jayhawk

Registered: 08/31/02
Loc: running amok
i think we've been faster the last couple of years (overall), than we are right now. our lb are su-lowwww! patterson is our only hope on a breakaway, as we saw last week.

you are correct, we are really going to need to uprade our speed to stay competitive.

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