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#948166 - 09/21/09 12:41 AM Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to date
max4 Offline
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Registered: 08/21/08
Loc: North Mexico
If you grade them vs themselves which is what you should do, then all three have been average at best. If you grade them vs ordinary college players they have been very good.
But if you grade them vs what they have done in the past and what you should expect from them every week they have not been impressive.
And the biggest disappointment to me is that it has not been because of the O-line. They have been pretty darn good.
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#948167 - 09/21/09 12:52 AM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to date [Re: max4]
sdoyel Offline
LIKE A BOSS

Registered: 09/23/03
Loc: Dallas
Reesing:

Passing
66-102, 64.7%
806 yards
6 TD
1 INT
2 sacks
Rushing
24 carries
115 yards
2 TD

Briscoe:

(2 games)
14 receptions
271 yards
1 TD

Meier:

17 receptions
194 yards
1 TD

I think you are seeing a drop in WR production (albeit SLIGHT) due to the emergence of our depth: Wilson and McDougald who have a combined 21 receptions and 271 yards. Not too shabby for #3 WR production. That and Sharp has 9 catches and 3 TD receiving.

When you compare rushing stats, you'll realize just how good Opurum is as a Frosh:

Sharp:

42 carries
240 yards
3 TD

Opurum:

41 carries
211 yards
5 TD

Sorry, but despite what people (myself included) have been saying about Reesing not looking himself, you can't help but give him an A.

Briscoe I will give a B+, mainly due to him missing a game and dropping a couple of passes. He's still a beast.

As for Meier, I would say the same. B+.... His receptions are down, but as I said earlier in the post. Reesing is clearly comfortable throwing to our #3 and #4 WR's. That and Defenses are probably keying on Meier a bit more.
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#948168 - 09/21/09 01:07 AM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to date [Re: max4]
dodrh Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 02/04/07
Disagree.

Todd would have had 150 more passing yards Saturday if not for 2 dropped passes. That happens.

They have been winning and controlling the games against teams they should do that to. No knock on the players.

My small beef is with the play calling. Running on every first down in the first qtr. is a little much. They waited till the 2nd to stretch the D. I guess that was part of the game plan but even I could see Dukes tackles playing run on first down. Then they would put a hard rush on 2nd down. Never changed in the first qtr.

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#948169 - 09/21/09 01:15 AM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: dodrh]
killabees Offline
Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 10/19/07
Loc: Jayhawk Nation
I find it hard to get too high or too low on players when they've been playing vanilla offense against cupcakes the first three weeks. Ask me this again after the OU game, and I'll have an opinion.

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#948170 - 09/21/09 08:41 AM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: killabees]
Rivethead Offline
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Registered: 09/01/04
Loc: Austin, TX USA
For once, I completely agree with Max.

I just can't believe how hard of a time our WRs are having of getting open! Todd is getting plenty of time to throw (either given by our OL or by his own talent to extend the play).

But, it's early and I have to remember that Briscoe sat the first game and missed all spring and summer.
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#948171 - 09/21/09 09:35 AM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to date [Re: max4]
mizzouisbad Offline
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Registered: 05/31/06
I guess you could say Reesing was kind of average against UTEP(still above average, imo, but it's Reesing).

However, against DUKE, Reesing was 28-41 for 340 yards and 3 TD. I'm not going to complain about a 70% completion rate, especially when two possible TDs were dropped. Todd was a wizard on Saturday, his usual self.

Meier has been less than his usual self. He's had a couple of drops, and god forbid he hasn't come down with a couple of difficult catches. However, he did have 2 outstanding catches against DUKE.

Briscoe has been good other than the dropped pass against DUKE. He's going to get better.

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#948172 - 09/21/09 09:36 AM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: Rivethead]
sdoyel Offline
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Registered: 09/23/03
Loc: Dallas
killabees, I'm not sure our offense was that "vanilla" on Saturday. There were a lot of funky formations out there.
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#948173 - 09/21/09 09:53 AM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: sdoyel]
Rivethead Offline
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Registered: 09/01/04
Loc: Austin, TX USA
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killabees, I'm not sure our offense was that "vanilla" on Saturday. There were a lot of funky formations out there.




Funky is vanilla for us. 5-wides, trips stacked, diamond formation.....that's all normal stuff in our spread.

I think our O formations were limited quite a bit against Duke because we didn't have the availability of our best TE (Biere).
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#948174 - 09/21/09 11:15 AM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: Rivethead]
mdfraz Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 01/15/09
Loc: Lawrence
Reesing B+ simply for missing some open guys against UTEP
Briscoe A- simply for dropping at least one easy pass against Dook (but he made two really good catches in coverage too)
Meier B don't know what's going on, maybe he's mortal after all, but he just hasn't made a ton of noise. I suppose at least some of it is due to McDougald getting some grabs and a bigger focus on running.
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#948175 - 09/21/09 11:17 AM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: Rivethead]
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Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 10/19/07
Loc: Jayhawk Nation
I'm waiting for a triple reverse, or a double statue of liberty, or a fake punt on first down sort of thing

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#948176 - 09/21/09 12:15 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: mdfraz]
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Registered: 10/01/05
Loc: Washington D.C.
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Meier B don't know what's going on, maybe he's mortal after all, but he just hasn't made a ton of noise. I suppose at least some of it is due to McDougald getting some grabs and a bigger focus on running.




I think Meier easily had the best catch against Duke laying out in the endzone followed closely by Opurum's (sp) one hand grab. I think Meier is doing exactly what we need him to.

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#948177 - 09/21/09 12:28 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: RussianHawk]
jamboslice Offline
John Brown

Registered: 07/05/09
Loc: Overland Park, KS
We need to mix it up between the run and the pass when we run the pistol formation because I see us running out of that formation mostly and it is getting predictable.
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#948178 - 09/21/09 01:53 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: jamboslice]
Rivethead Offline
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Registered: 09/01/04
Loc: Austin, TX USA
It may be predicticable, but our opponents haven't been able to stop it yet.
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#948179 - 09/21/09 02:30 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: RussianHawk]
Kman_blue Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
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I think Meier easily had the best catch against Duke laying out in the endzone followed closely by Opurum's (sp) one hand grab. I think Meier is doing exactly what we need him to.



I'd throw Max Onyegbule's catch in there too!

Briscoe's 2 long catches in coverage didn't look as impressive because he made them look kind of easy, but I'd say a good portion of Div. 1 WR's wouldn't of made them.
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#948180 - 09/21/09 02:34 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: mdfraz]
LisaT Offline
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Registered: 03/11/07
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Meier B don't know what's going on, maybe he's mortal after all,




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#948181 - 09/21/09 02:35 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: Kman_blue]
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Pure Jayhawk

Registered: 09/10/08
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Briscoe's ability to leap, stretch, catch a pass, then gain yards after the catch is both underrated and amazing.

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#948182 - 09/21/09 02:35 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: Kman_blue]
WaHawk04 Offline
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Registered: 11/08/06
Reesing - B-
Briscoe - A
Meier - B-

It's nice to know that two of our primary offensive weapons can have a few 'off' days and we are still 3-0. A fairly dominant 3-0.
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#948183 - 09/21/09 04:03 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: LisaT]
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Registered: 11/04/07
Loc: Jayhawk Nation
Reesing was not playing well at during the Duke game, and I would argue that Kale Pick who is averaging like 30 yards a carry and 40 yards per game would be a better quarterback. Maybe not in experience or decision making, but talentwise he will be better than Reesing. Todd has been missing alot of open recievers in the Duke game, and he doesn't hit his back out of the backfield as much as he should(ussually wide open for 1st down or more). He is looking too much to go downfield with Meier or Briscoe. I'm afraid that will eventually come to haunt us. He has been throwing behind his reciever alot and did so with Wilson and Briscoe which otherwise would have been wide open TD passes. He needs to improve if we want to beat Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Nebraska. I'm not saying he is a bad quarterback or even average, but he can be much better.
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#948184 - 09/21/09 04:10 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: HawkRawker]
HawkRawker Offline
Eunuch

Registered: 11/04/07
Loc: Jayhawk Nation
Briscoe is a beast there is nothing he hasn't done yet. Meier has been given the ball as much but that's OK because we have Wilson who I consider a better reciever(maybe not a better player) and McDougald who has speed. Although I do think Kerry showed great speed catching that guy on the blocked PAT.
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#948185 - 09/21/09 05:21 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: HawkRawker]
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Registered: 09/01/02
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I think Reesing is being asked to stay in the pocket too much. It's not his game, and intereferes with his Tarkingtonesque ability to break a defense down and create unscripted plays downfield, which is what he's made his living doing. It will change once competition steps up (probably this weekend), and he'll have to freelance and create his own stuff.

Meier is a victim of keeping Reesing in the pocket. He's breaking off routes, and trying to create, but Reesing is still hanging in the pocket and looking for receivers where they're "scripted" to be, not where they've improvised because Reesing is scrambling.

Briscoe is looking like Briscoe, only with some drops. Wilson is the one I'm a little worried about, as he is due for a breakout year, but is not catching balls that are hitting him in the hands. I'm sure it will get corrected, but hope it is soon!

One other area that I like after watching the past two games, Duke one right now on DVR, is our OLine. They're blowing open some holes, and protecting Reesing well considering how many of them are new. They'll mature, and I think we'll be fine in this area. The snaps from center are dramatically better now than last week as well. We'll chalk that up to the flu.

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#948186 - 09/21/09 05:57 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: KUHawkhead]
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Registered: 12/22/04
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I think Reesing is being asked to stay in the pocket too much. It's not his game, and intereferes with his Tarkingtonesque ability to break a defense down and create unscripted plays downfield, which is what he's made his living doing. It will change once competition steps up (probably this weekend), and he'll have to freelance and create his own stuff.

Meier is a victim of keeping Reesing in the pocket. He's breaking off routes, and trying to create, but Reesing is still hanging in the pocket and looking for receivers where they're "scripted" to be, not where they've improvised because Reesing is scrambling.

Briscoe is looking like Briscoe, only with some drops. Wilson is the one I'm a little worried about, as he is due for a breakout year, but is not catching balls that are hitting him in the hands. I'm sure it will get corrected, but hope it is soon!

One other area that I like after watching the past two games, Duke one right now on DVR, is our OLine. They're blowing open some holes, and protecting Reesing well considering how many of them are new. They'll mature, and I think we'll be fine in this area. The snaps from center are dramatically better now than last week as well. We'll chalk that up to the flu.

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I think it's because of the competition. There really wasn't any question KU would come in and win these 3 games. I don't think Mangino would have a problem with Reesing doing whatever he had to do to win games vs OU, Texas, Nebraska, etc. But he probably wants him to have some gas in the tank towards the end of the year.
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#948187 - 09/21/09 06:32 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: Phogman]
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Registered: 09/01/02
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That is definately possible! I trust Mangro and will never second guess him.

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#948188 - 09/21/09 07:04 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: KUHawkhead]
mdfraz Offline
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Registered: 01/15/09
Loc: Lawrence
I don't disagree that Kerry made a great sliding/diving catch for the TD the other day. I just haven't seen him being the game changing playmaker he was last year. Again, that may just be as much a matter of McDougald taking a couple balls that may have gone Kerry's way, or the fact that we are running A LOT more than we did at this point (or even later in the season) last year. A "B" is not bad at all; it's just that we haven't seen the Meier that caught 100 balls last year.

Briscoe's two catches, from what I could see way back in row 52, were pretty impressive. He went up and grabbed the ball out of the air and out away from the defender. It sounds simple, but a lot of receivers don't attack the ball like that. Dez does. Just another reason I'm not that worried if he doesn't run a 4.4 40. He has dropped a ball or two, to be sure, but I'm thinking the drops will be a thing of the past over the next couple games. I can only imagine what Mangino has the guys doing to keep them from blowing easy catches like that.
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#948189 - 09/21/09 07:14 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: mdfraz]
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Registered: 10/08/02
Loc: Colorado
Kerry hasn't been making all the clutch 3rd down catches that seemed to be automatic last year. That may still come as defenders come to fear Wilson and McDougald. For that to happen, Wilson needs to make that open field catch and score. McDougald needs to break a tackle and get some yards after the catch.

It will come. It's all the small things. An extra second of protection, a better throw, a better catch...it will come.

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#948190 - 09/21/09 07:55 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: rockymtnjhawk]
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Registered: 02/25/05
The Reesing-Meier combination has become pretty well known to other teams. Meier isn't able to get free all the time like he used to be able to. Maybe that's part of it.

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#948191 - 09/21/09 07:56 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: oldalum]
rockymtnjhawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/08/02
Loc: Colorado
For sure that is part of it. That's why the others need to make them pay.

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#948192 - 09/21/09 08:37 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: LisaT]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 01/23/05
Loc: Wichita, KS
Reesing: A -
Meier: A
Briscoe: A

Reesing is either being told to stay in the pocket or he's limited due to something like an injury, but he's lost that escape factor here recently and that is when he is most dangerous.

Meier made an outstanding catch in the first half of last week's game. He's just as good as before.

Briscoe is still the man. UTEP was his best performance to date.

I'd throw Sharp up there a an A. He's really stepped up his game. Assuming he gets back to 100% soon, he's on pace to really have a breakout senior campaign.

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#948193 - 09/21/09 08:56 PM Re: Seriously grade Reesing,Meier and Briscoe to d [Re: namohcan_99]
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Registered: 01/15/09
Loc: Lawrence
Reesing hasn't lost the escape factor. Perhaps he's lost the scramble and gain a bunch of yards with his feet factor, but he's been pressured numerous times and has only been sacked once.

Todd's most spectacular plays aren't made with his feet anyway, even when he's flushed or scrambling. He really makes teams pay with his arm when he runs around for 7 or 8 seconds and the coverage breaks down. I'd rather see him doing that than running any day. Plus, I'm guessing the coaches did indeed tell him to back off on trying to get a bunch of yards with his feet. He took WAY too many hits against UNC in the first game.
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