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#2041874 - 08/07/19 08:32 AM So I have heard the ideas espoused
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Registered: 03/24/04
Loc: Bohemia
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#2041875 - 08/07/19 08:42 AM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: parkhawk3319]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 04/19/03
This article seems to be asking us to find a basis for dialogue with Christian nationalists who believe God ordained our nation with unlimited gun rights. No. Just no. I’m all for dialogue. But there has to be some agreed-upon basis of good old basic rationality and good faith. Absent that you’re wasting your time.
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#2041876 - 08/07/19 08:43 AM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: parkhawk3319]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 04/19/03
Btw, curses be upon you for mucking up this political board with yet another new thread.
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#2041877 - 08/07/19 10:26 AM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: kellyfenton]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 03/24/04
Loc: Bohemia
I have been cursed before, and yet here I am, more prosperous and happy than ever!

I scoff at your curses and the deity you implore to bring down it's wrath upon me. Your gods don't scare me. Any god worth a shite doesn't waste it's time granting curses and wishes or smiting enemies or seeking petty retribution. That crappy behavior is beneath a real god.
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#2041878 - 08/07/19 10:35 AM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: parkhawk3319]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 04/19/03
I’m organizing a Trump rally in your back yard. You’re right. We don’t need no stinking deities!
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#2041879 - 08/07/19 01:21 PM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: kellyfenton]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 03/24/04
Loc: Bohemia
Dick Cheney was heading in the right direction when he declared he could create his own reality. There is great utility in that and it's a neat magic trick. But he was thinking way too small. Create your own GOD and now we are talking real money.
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#2041880 - 08/07/19 02:43 PM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: parkhawk3319]
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Registered: 03/24/04
Loc: Bohemia
We hosted an interesting event earlier this year in the spring. My wife and I cruise the end of semester student art shows at the Kansas City Art Institute twice a year. There is a lot of meh and then at least once a year we find a gem or two. We invite these students to show their work at my office on a First Friday. Last year we found two sophomore printmaking students who produced what I would have to say might be the best pieces I have ever seen there. Both pieces were large scale in that they were printed on whole sheets (30x22) and the drafting and detail and thought put into both were just exquisite. We bought the pieces and I arraigned through the head of the printmaking department to meet the two kids and discuss having them put together a joint First Friday show in our office. One piece is an odd pastoral scene that obvious references Adam and Eve and the fall from grace and expulsion from the garden. The other is a demon baby that is half human half goat and has obvious references to Catholicism and scientific journals. In meeting them they could not be more opposite, one a very clean kempt blonde woman who is a devout Christian and the other is a former Catholic ( yes we bonded immediately on that) who is now an espoused Satanist with long stringy hair dressed all in black. I say “espoused” because I truly believe this kid had such a negative reaction to his childhood experiences in the Catholic Church that the only way he could rebel enough was to become a Satanist. My guess is that if I see him again in 10 years things could be different.

So I propose to them the idea of a show of their work side by side, they will curate it and write it up for me and they are in charge of a title. I will provide the advertising and venue. They are buzzing, it turns out they are actually friends and really like each other’s work and appreciate each other’s aesthetic and work ethic. Bottom line is they had discussed wanting to do a show together but weren’t sure they could find a venue for that. The printmaking department head at KCAI is excited, they are excited and I am excited.

Six months later we reconvene at my office and they show me what they done. The show is titled “The War between Heaven and Hell”. Heady title to live up to for a couple of 20 year olds. The centerpiece of the show is the two pieces of their work that my wife and I bought which we have had framed and they have those sit on their own wall side by side. Then they filled in about 40 linear feet of gallery wall with the rest. It is a pretty big show for two students. On the night of the show Solomon walks in looking like Marilyn Manson’s stunt double coming home from a KISS concert and Lauren comes in all powder and gingham in her best Suzie Creamcheese outfit. I am blown away and my admin is beside herself wanting to slap him. I remind her he is 20 and he has some stuff he has to get out of his system and tonight is part of that. All night the two of them interact with the 300-400 people who walk through and give each other furtive high fives in support of their respective performances. He has his people, they are usually a visually obvious type and he talks to them and they love him and by the end of it he has a couple of people who want him to give them tattoos. Half the crowd looks at his work and some shock appears on their face and they move along. She also has a visually identifiable group who congregate around her work and they talk and about her work, she is also very earnest and thoughtful but in a gentler way.

At one point late in the night a group of 6 college age kids walks up to me and asks me to interpret her large piece and I give them a basic biblical reference for the themes but tell them that once she gets done talking to the group she is currently talking to, they should ask her directly and get this in her words. I motion her over and make introductions and she starts to tell her story. About half way though one of the girls starts crying and then one of the boys starts crying and she stops and asks if everything is OK. The girl stammers; yeah, I’m fine, it’s just that your description and the picture are so beautiful, I can’t help crying, I don’t know why, I’m not sad, it’s just so beautiful. So a group hug ensues. The Satanist who has been taking as much pride so far in the horror he has induced with his own work as the admiration it has inspired; is looking in on this and he is smiling and enjoying the moment as well. All in all it was maybe the best show we have ever hosted with regards to artist/patron interaction and conversation.

So we saw something very rare that night along with hundreds of other unsuspecting strangers. Two diametrically opposite religious beliefs and their followers demonstrating an appreciation of each other as human beings and talking about their beliefs in a sincere way with no one claiming primacy or the ultimate “truth” of their beliefs or trying to convert or condemn anyone. They simply showed respect for each other as people and at the end of the evening they all walked away friends. I had to agree with the crying girl, it’s just so beautiful.
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#2041881 - 08/07/19 02:54 PM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: parkhawk3319]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 04/19/03
Great story. I’d say something about the power of art to draw us all together — which it sorta sounds is what happened — but to reduce it to that would cheapen the experience I’m sure. Good stuff, Japhy. Thanks for sharing that.
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#2041882 - 08/07/19 03:14 PM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: kellyfenton]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 03/24/04
Loc: Bohemia
My work-a-day world is filled with ego driven money grubbing powered hungry fncks, it is a cynical place where we eat our own. So I try to balance that out by intentionally putting myself in places where there can be small moments of real clarity and human joy and goodness.

Stay tuned. Next month Defix and I will be traveling out west again to try and secure a location for a happening. We may have found the closest thing to El jardín del Edén, if so, you may want to put the date of the summer solstice on your calendar. I saw the band IDLES play a couple of months ago, great show and their mantra left a mark so maybe that could be our theme. Joy as an act of resistance.
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#2041883 - 08/07/19 04:17 PM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: parkhawk3319]
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Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
The everyday politic republican can sometimes overshadow the little acts of kindness of Democrats. Creative vs crass. Trump has left us all cynical about this world. Him and his robotic wife & daughter
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#2041884 - 08/07/19 05:00 PM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: parkhawk3319]
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Registered: 01/29/07
Loc: District of Columbia
Originally Posted By: parkhawk3319
We hosted an interesting event earlier this year in the spring. My wife and I cruise the end of semester student art shows at the Kansas City Art Institute twice a year. There is a lot of meh and then at least once a year we find a gem or two. We invite these students to show their work at my office on a First Friday. Last year we found two sophomore printmaking students who produced what I would have to say might be the best pieces I have ever seen there. Both pieces were large scale in that they were printed on whole sheets (30x22) and the drafting and detail and thought put into both were just exquisite. We bought the pieces and I arraigned through the head of the printmaking department to meet the two kids and discuss having them put together a joint First Friday show in our office. One piece is an odd pastoral scene that obvious references Adam and Eve and the fall from grace and expulsion from the garden. The other is a demon baby that is half human half goat and has obvious references to Catholicism and scientific journals. In meeting them they could not be more opposite, one a very clean kempt blonde woman who is a devout Christian and the other is a former Catholic ( yes we bonded immediately on that) who is now an espoused Satanist with long stringy hair dressed all in black. I say “espoused” because I truly believe this kid had such a negative reaction to his childhood experiences in the Catholic Church that the only way he could rebel enough was to become a Satanist. My guess is that if I see him again in 10 years things could be different.

So I propose to them the idea of a show of their work side by side, they will curate it and write it up for me and they are in charge of a title. I will provide the advertising and venue. They are buzzing, it turns out they are actually friends and really like each other’s work and appreciate each other’s aesthetic and work ethic. Bottom line is they had discussed wanting to do a show together but weren’t sure they could find a venue for that. The printmaking department head at KCAI is excited, they are excited and I am excited.

Six months later we reconvene at my office and they show me what they done. The show is titled “The War between Heaven and Hell”. Heady title to live up to for a couple of 20 year olds. The centerpiece of the show is the two pieces of their work that my wife and I bought which we have had framed and they have those sit on their own wall side by side. Then they filled in about 40 linear feet of gallery wall with the rest. It is a pretty big show for two students. On the night of the show Solomon walks in looking like Marilyn Manson’s stunt double coming home from a KISS concert and Lauren comes in all powder and gingham in her best Suzie Creamcheese outfit. I am blown away and my admin is beside herself wanting to slap him. I remind her he is 20 and he has some stuff he has to get out of his system and tonight is part of that. All night the two of them interact with the 300-400 people who walk through and give each other furtive high fives in support of their respective performances. He has his people, they are usually a visually obvious type and he talks to them and they love him and by the end of it he has a couple of people who want him to give them tattoos. Half the crowd looks at his work and some shock appears on their face and they move along. She also has a visually identifiable group who congregate around her work and they talk and about her work, she is also very earnest and thoughtful but in a gentler way.

At one point late in the night a group of 6 college age kids walks up to me and asks me to interpret her large piece and I give them a basic biblical reference for the themes but tell them that once she gets done talking to the group she is currently talking to, they should ask her directly and get this in her words. I motion her over and make introductions and she starts to tell her story. About half way though one of the girls starts crying and then one of the boys starts crying and she stops and asks if everything is OK. The girl stammers; yeah, I’m fine, it’s just that your description and the picture are so beautiful, I can’t help crying, I don’t know why, I’m not sad, it’s just so beautiful. So a group hug ensues. The Satanist who has been taking as much pride so far in the horror he has induced with his own work as the admiration it has inspired; is looking in on this and he is smiling and enjoying the moment as well. All in all it was maybe the best show we have ever hosted with regards to artist/patron interaction and conversation.

So we saw something very rare that night along with hundreds of other unsuspecting strangers. Two diametrically opposite religious beliefs and their followers demonstrating an appreciation of each other as human beings and talking about their beliefs in a sincere way with no one claiming primacy or the ultimate “truth” of their beliefs or trying to convert or condemn anyone. They simply showed respect for each other as people and at the end of the evening they all walked away friends. I had to agree with the crying girl, it’s just so beautiful.



We're gonna need that outfit back, BTW.
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#2041886 - 08/07/19 05:10 PM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: DCHawk1]
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Registered: 03/24/04
Loc: Bohemia
I've lost about 40 pounds since you saw me last just so that it fits; snuggly. You will probably have to show up at the Burnout Man Festival next June and take it off me big boy.
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#2041888 - 08/07/19 08:51 PM Re: So I have heard the ideas espoused [Re: parkhawk3319]
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DC!!!
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