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#2041380 - 06/24/19 12:10 PM Diagnosis & Prognosis
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 01/18/08
Though I seldom post on this KU football board, I’ve followed KU football for many years. I’ve enjoyed a few great seasons and some very good teams and endured a lot of seasons with results far less than hoped for.

Why hasn’t KU done better in football. In short, there’s at least two primary reasons: failure to put the necessary dollars into the program and failure to keep coaches who gave us some bright moments and hope. In almost 130 seasons we’ve had 39 head coaches! Compare that to eight basketball coaches!

It appears that the future of KU football is starting to make some good strides forward. First, they are putting more money into the program than ever before. Second, the past proves that KU can make a big leap forward quickly. Mangino showed us that and he inherited a program that wasn’t in very good shape from Allen. However, that leap forward fizzled quite quickly.

The historical bottom of KU football was probably achieved under Weis. Beaty inherited that and at least he put us in a better position than what he inherited. Miles has inherited a program somewhat similar to what Mangino stepped into, in terms of being down.

Miles is starting with a core of players that have a lot of potential. A lot of money is being thrown into the program. He has a greater core of assistants than KU has ever had. He is doing well in recruiting. Unfortunately, because of his age, there is a ceiling on how long he can stay. Hopefully, because of his experience and his success as a head coach with the financial backing by the school and supporters, he can move us to a point where we can end the coaching carousel and get the stability we need to sustain a winning program. The idea is to get our program to the point in which his successor would want to stick around for a while because we are a winning program. I’m hoping to end my days of following KU football on a high note.

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#2041381 - 06/24/19 12:20 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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KU was worse under Beaty than under Weis.

2012 Charlie Weis 1–11 0–9 10th
2013 Charlie Weis 3–9 1–8 10th
2014 Charlie Weis 3–9 1–8 9th
2015 David Beaty 0–12 0–9 10th
2016 David Beaty 2–10 1–8 10th
2017 David Beaty 1–11 0–9 10th
2018 David Beaty 3–9 1–8 10th
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#2041382 - 06/24/19 01:18 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Registered: 10/13/04
Loc: Ozarks
Geesh 52 you disapoint for even asking.
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#2041386 - 06/24/19 02:12 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: JimWest]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 01/18/08
Win/loss records don't always tell the whole story. By the time Beaty arrived Weis had devastated what little our football program had left, the cupboard had become completely bare. He did the same thing to Notre Dame, only they were much better off when he took over than was KU and their fall wasn't as far down as KU. They were hurt by his time there. Beaty started with nothing and didn't have the experience to be able to turn KU around, though he did make us a little better.

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#2041388 - 06/24/19 02:13 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
Though I seldom post on this KU football board, I’ve followed KU football for many years. I’ve enjoyed a few great seasons and some very good teams and endured a lot of seasons with results far less than hoped for.

Why hasn’t KU done better in football. In short, there’s at least two primary reasons: failure to put the necessary dollars into the program and failure to keep coaches who gave us some bright moments and hope. In almost 130 seasons we’ve had 39 head coaches! Compare that to eight basketball coaches!

It appears that the future of KU football is starting to make some good strides forward. First, they are putting more money into the program than ever before. Second, the past proves that KU can make a big leap forward quickly. Mangino showed us that and he inherited a program that wasn’t in very good shape from Allen. However, that leap forward fizzled quite quickly.

The historical bottom of KU football was probably achieved under Weis. Beaty inherited that and at least he put us in a better position than what he inherited. Miles has inherited a program somewhat similar to what Mangino stepped into, in terms of being down.

Miles is starting with a core of players that have a lot of potential. A lot of money is being thrown into the program. He has a greater core of assistants than KU has ever had. He is doing well in recruiting. Unfortunately, because of his age, there is a ceiling on how long he can stay. Hopefully, because of his experience and his success as a head coach with the financial backing by the school and supporters, he can move us to a point where we can end the coaching carousel and get the stability we need to sustain a winning program. The idea is to get our program to the point in which his successor would want to stick around for a while because we are a winning program. I’m hoping to end my days of following KU football on a high note.
You been diagnosed with something or just feel like you're getting old?

Good post and I agree with most of your diagnosis and prognosis.
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#2041389 - 06/24/19 02:22 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: Kman_blue]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 01/18/08
In 16 days I'll be 79, so guess I'm getting a bit older. I'm shooting for at least another 11 years and maybe 14 or 15 more. I'm basically in good health. As long as that remains so, I might even make 100! That would give me 88 years as a Jayhawk fan. grin

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#2041391 - 06/24/19 03:44 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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gale sayers

Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
In 16 days I'll be 79, so guess I'm getting a bit older. I'm shooting for at least another 11 years and maybe 14 or 15 more. I'm basically in good health. As long as that remains so, I might even make 100! That would give me 88 years as a Jayhawk fan. grin

What took you so long.... 12 years? I have been a fan since around 6 years old.
The most successful teams build their team around the quarterback.... we haven’t had such a quarterback since TR. we need the new QB that Miles brought in to be such a QB and we need to find a freshman QB for the future. It’s by far the most important position on a team in the current football era.

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#2041392 - 06/24/19 04:38 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
In 16 days I'll be 79, so guess I'm getting a bit older. I'm shooting for at least another 11 years and maybe 14 or 15 more. I'm basically in good health. As long as that remains so, I might even make 100! That would give me 88 years as a Jayhawk fan. grin
So just a young pup with unnecessary anxiety about your longevity. LOL grin

Had a previous neighbor make it to 107 who was active (took daily 1 mile walks) right up until the day before their passing and have a current healthy active 96 year old WWII vet one now.
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#2041394 - 06/24/19 05:09 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: Kman_blue]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 01/18/08
I'm not concerned about how long I'm going to live. However, on my dad's side, his brother lived to be 92, dad 94 and his sister 98. On my mom's side she had a sister that lived to be 94 and a sister still living is 96. So, yeah, I'm still a spring chicken. Old age, though, is in my genes. Sad to say, as near as I know, none of them were Jayhawk fans, they didn't even have all that much interest in basketball. The son of my aunt that died at 94 was instrumental in me becoming a Jayhawk fan, and the son of my uncle that died at 92 is a Jayhawk fan, though not to the extent that I am.

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#2041395 - 06/24/19 05:18 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: Kman_blue]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
On a tangent here, as I see your username again, it makes me wonder what happened to some other users around here that also had years in their usernames.

In chronological order that I can remember off the top of my head, what happened to these board members?

kjay1955
KUFan67
Oldhawk75
rockchalk80
namohcan_99
WaHawk04
Lawhawk2011

Wish there was a way to ping members on this board to see if anyone would respond.

Any other users with dates in their names you all wonder about or maybe even know what happened to them? Or heck, any old users we haven't seen in a long time? (yes, I know the board is dead in general)
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#2041396 - 06/24/19 05:42 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
I'm not concerned about how long I'm going to live. However, on my dad's side, his brother lived to be 92, dad 94 and his sister 98. On my mom's side she had a sister that lived to be 94 and a sister still living is 96. So, yeah, I'm still a spring chicken. Old age, though, is in my genes. Sad to say, as near as I know, none of them were Jayhawk fans, they didn't even have all that much interest in basketball. The son of my aunt that died at 94 was instrumental in me becoming a Jayhawk fan, and the son of my uncle that died at 92 is a Jayhawk fan, though not to the extent that I am.
Looks like good genes run in your family!

My grandfather on my dad's side got the family into the Jayhawk family when he got a degree at KU back in the 1930's. The grandparents lived in Lawrence for several years back in the 1930's too which solidified their KU fandom. Before that, they were all too dirt poor to think about college, or even High School in many cases and didn't follow sports much as far as I know. I don't know if I can claim to be a KU football fan since this time, but my earliest KU memory is attending a football game at age 3 with my folks(both KU grads) and a bunch of their college friends. The family were in attendance or around the TV for most all KU football and basketball games growing up, but I didn't personally start following real closely until I was in Junior High though.
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#2041399 - 06/24/19 07:19 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: JimWest]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
Originally Posted By: JimWest
KU was worse under Beaty than under Weis.

2012 Charlie Weis 1–11 0–9 10th
2013 Charlie Weis 3–9 1–8 10th
2014 Charlie Weis 3–9 1–8 9th
2015 David Beaty 0–12 0–9 10th
2016 David Beaty 2–10 1–8 10th
2017 David Beaty 1–11 0–9 10th
2018 David Beaty 3–9 1–8 10th
Records can be deceiving...
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#2041401 - 06/24/19 09:49 PM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: 58hawk]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Originally Posted By: JimWest
KU was worse under Beaty than under Weis.

2012 Charlie Weis 1–11 0–9 10th
2013 Charlie Weis 3–9 1–8 10th
2014 Charlie Weis 3–9 1–8 9th
2015 David Beaty 0–12 0–9 10th
2016 David Beaty 2–10 1–8 10th
2017 David Beaty 1–11 0–9 10th
2018 David Beaty 3–9 1–8 10th
Records can be deceiving...

Damn!

I knew was blanking on someone obvious with a date in their username! crazy
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#2041413 - 06/25/19 11:25 AM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: Jayhawk1952]
JimWest Online   happy
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Registered: 11/29/12
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
Win/loss records don't always tell the whole story. By the time Beaty arrived Weis had devastated what little our football program had left, the cupboard had become completely bare. He did the same thing to Notre Dame, only they were much better off when he took over than was KU and their fall wasn't as far down as KU. They were hurt by his time there. Beaty started with nothing and didn't have the experience to be able to turn KU around, though he did make us a little better.


None of that is true. You Beaty fanboys will never learn.
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#2041414 - 06/25/19 11:25 AM Re: Diagnosis & Prognosis [Re: 58hawk]
JimWest Online   happy
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Registered: 11/29/12
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Originally Posted By: JimWest
KU was worse under Beaty than under Weis.

2012 Charlie Weis 1–11 0–9 10th
2013 Charlie Weis 3–9 1–8 10th
2014 Charlie Weis 3–9 1–8 9th
2015 David Beaty 0–12 0–9 10th
2016 David Beaty 2–10 1–8 10th
2017 David Beaty 1–11 0–9 10th
2018 David Beaty 3–9 1–8 10th
Records can be deceiving...


It is the single best metric. Period.
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