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#2035150 - 11/05/18 03:36 PM who is your top coaching choices
DrGreydog Offline
Prairie Warrior

Registered: 12/04/11
Loc: Topeka
1. Les Miles

2. Willie Fritz

3. Jim Mora Jr

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#2035153 - 11/05/18 04:40 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
madcapper Offline
Crimson & Blue Blood

Registered: 10/13/04
Loc: Ozarks
1. Saban
2. Meyers
3. Someone who can walk on water
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#2035157 - 11/05/18 05:55 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
moose1 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/29/06
Loc: Wichita
Realistically

1) Miles (if we could get him)
2) Tedford, I like that he is a quarterback and offensive minded guy. KU clearly needs the help there.
3) Mora Jr, I just think he would make KU at least decent

I don't want to see Fritz. I just don't think the triple option is the way to go.

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#2035158 - 11/05/18 05:57 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: moose1]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
I agree on the whole triple option thing. Not week after week in this conference.

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#2035160 - 11/05/18 06:30 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 01/03/15
Loc: Indiana
Jim Mora Jr. would be a tremendous hire he can coach and recruit
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#2035161 - 11/05/18 06:34 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
My top choice of coaches who aren't absolutely impossible to get would be Littrell then Miles. I'm assuming Doeren is out of the realm of possibility, but even if he's interested, I'd take Littrell first.

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#2035165 - 11/05/18 07:00 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
AlOerter Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/02/13
I don't see Doeren leaving NC State. Miles may be too old for a rebuild. Not sure what kind of recruiter Littrell is. Any of them would be a major upgrade.

I'm glad it's on Long and not on me to get this right.
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#2035168 - 11/05/18 08:46 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
appyhawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 05/17/04
Loc: Flint Hills
I have done my best to support the guy who was hired just out of wanting our Jayhawks to succeed, but never really approved of any of them prior to their hire. Now I can't speak to having a top choice, or even a top 3, but Mora is an interesting name I hadn't considered.That guy knows the game and is experienced at a high level.
As for Miles, if he retained Hull as part of his staff you would think together they could be a real recruiting force in talent rich Louisiana, wouldn't you?
Whoever we get I hope it's someone who insists on building the program the right way. No shortcuts.

By the way Capper, I'm confident my liberal cat would kick your cat's ass! LOL.


Edited by appyhawk (11/05/18 08:49 PM)
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#2035169 - 11/05/18 09:17 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
Jaycat92 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/28/14
Loc: Nebraska
Top 3 choices in my opinion would be:

1. Willie Fritz
2. Seth Litrell
3. Troy Calhoun

Honorable mention:
Jeff Monken
Jim Mora Jr
Les Miles

If you think about running the triple option, and recruiting for that, its a whole different dimension. We wouldn't be going up against OU, Texas and others for the same kind of recruit.

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#2035170 - 11/05/18 09:45 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
vmlb Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 11/25/06
Why has Venables not received any head coaching offers?
His resume seems loaded. OU d has not been the same since his departure and since being at Clemson their d has been top notch.

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#2035172 - 11/05/18 10:14 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: vmlb]
Goober Offline
Prairie Warrior

Registered: 11/17/09
A lot of good names being floated around on various list out there. I would've been fired up about the Mad Hatter 5 years ago. Not now. Too old. Kiffen too flighty.

Just don't take a flyer. Get a proven builder and winner.

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#2035173 - 11/05/18 10:25 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Crimson & Blue Blood

Registered: 09/08/05
Loc: Dallas, TX
Jason Garrett should be available
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#2035174 - 11/05/18 10:42 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: vmlb]
rockchalkjjjhawk Offline
Seer

Registered: 11/20/04
For those of us who were pleading for Zenger to not go after Weis (should have been Doeren), all we can hope is that Long isn’t mesmerized by Wies like BS or Beaty like unwarranted confidence. Also if part of Long’s presser at the time of hire focuses entirely on what a great recruiter of Texas so and so is, it’s more than likely it will end bad. What KU needs is someone with a great analytical mind and severe inner drive but who is low/even keeled. Some of the better coaches tend to have a pretty quiet confident demeanor when not teaching (Belichick, Reid, etc).

What KU has had has been an unhealthy coach with low inner drive and a high energy coach with low IQ. Let’s just hope whatever guy it is works out this time. One would have to believe that low attendance for another 3 yrs could very well be a final nail in the coffin.

Litrell would be the worst pick of those discussed here.

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#2035176 - 11/05/18 11:34 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
Jaycat92 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/28/14
Loc: Nebraska
I have a feeling we will be surprised or let down either way, its an upgrade over this mess. I hate being that way because for the most part our players have played their rears off this season for this incompetentent staff and have had minor successes.

We entered this season in the basement. We are now starting to climb the rungs to the first floor, so who ever gets this gig, is getting it in better shape than maybe it was 6 years ago. Either way, Beaty was a bust, and we committed way too much money and time in a bad investment.

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#2035179 - 11/06/18 12:09 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
Jaycat92 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/28/14
Loc: Nebraska



Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Oklahoma State Cowboys (Big 12 Conference) (2001–2004)
2001 Oklahoma State 4–7 2–6 5th (South)
2002 Oklahoma State 8–5 5–3 T–3rd (South) W Houston
2003 Oklahoma State 9–4 5–3 3rd (South) L Cotton
2004 Oklahoma State 7–5 4–4 5th (South) L Alamo
Oklahoma State: 28–21 16–16
LSU Tigers (Southeastern Conference) (2005–2016)
2005 LSU 11–2 7–1 1st (Western) W Peach 5 6
2006 LSU 11–2 6–2 T–2nd (Western) W Sugar† 3 3
2007 LSU 12–2 6–2 1st (Western) W BCS NCG† 1 1
2008 LSU 8–5 3–5 3rd (Western) W Chick-fil-A
2009 LSU 9–4 5–3 2nd (Western) L Capital One 17 17
2010 LSU 11–2 6–2 T–2nd (Western) W Cotton 8 8
2011 LSU 13–1 8–0 1st (Western) L BCS NCG† 2 2
2012 LSU 10–3 6–2 T–2nd (Western) L Chick-fil-A 12 13
2013 LSU 10–3 5–3 3rd (Western) W Outback 14 14
2014 LSU 8–5 4–4 T–4th (Western) L Music City
2015 LSU 9–3 5–3 T–3rd (Western) W Texas 17 16
2016 LSU 2–2 1–1 (Western)
LSU: 114–34 62–28
Total: 141–55
National championship Conference title Conference division title or championship game berth
†Indicates BCS bowl.

I may not have given Miles enough credit for some success at LSu, but will maintain that his best teams were with Saban recruiting classes. His Okie St resume is also a bit misleading when Mike Gundy was his OC and has continued to win at the same pace as Miles did and better.

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#2035180 - 11/06/18 12:19 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: Jaycat92]
moose1 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/29/06
Loc: Wichita
Originally Posted By: Jaycat92
Top 3 choices in my opinion would be:

1. Willie Fritz
2. Seth Litrell
3. Troy Calhoun

Honorable mention:
Jeff Monken
Jim Mora Jr
Les Miles

If you think about running the triple option, and recruiting for that, its a whole different dimension. We wouldn't be going up against OU, Texas and others for the same kind of recruit.


There is some logic to that statement. It may be beneficial to do the opposite of what every one else is doing to gain a competitive advantage.

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#2035192 - 11/06/18 10:28 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: moose1]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: moose1
Originally Posted By: Jaycat92
Top 3 choices in my opinion would be:

1. Willie Fritz
2. Seth Litrell
3. Troy Calhoun

Honorable mention:
Jeff Monken
Jim Mora Jr
Les Miles

If you think about running the triple option, and recruiting for that, its a whole different dimension. We wouldn't be going up against OU, Texas and others for the same kind of recruit.


There is some logic to that statement. It may be beneficial to do the opposite of what every one else is doing to gain a competitive advantage.
Not trying to rub anyone the wrong way, but hiring David Beaty with his inexperience as a P5 D1 HC was certainly doing the opposite of ANYONE else in the BG12. He was mainly a Texas HS HC most of his football career. I fully expect him to go back to it, now that his big time job proved to be too much to handle.

Not thrilled about possibility seeing Troy Calhoun at Lawrence. I've seen Air Force play and it's a grinding mess each game IMO.
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#2035194 - 11/06/18 10:48 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: KUCO_VOC]
beenahawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Topeka, Kansas
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: moose1
[quote=Jaycat92]Top 3 choices in my opinion would be:

1. Willie Fritz
2. Seth Litrell
3. Troy Calhoun

Honorable mention:
Jeff Monken
Jim Mora Jr
Les Miles

If you think about running the triple option, and recruiting for that, its a whole different dimension. We wouldn't be going up against OU, Texas and others for the same kind of recruit.



Not thrilled about possibility seeing Troy Calhoun at Lawrence. I've seen Air Force play and it's a grinding mess each game IMO.


You won't ever see Calhoun in Old Memorial, at least not on the KU sideline. Simply will not happen.

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#2035197 - 11/06/18 11:27 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: beenahawk]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 04/07/11
Petrino may be available soon. UL has about a 12 million buyout but it’s looking like they want it done.
He had a tremendous team at Arkansas a few years and his best team when he wrecked the motorcycle. The bad part of the wreck was the young blonde he had on the back of it - and he had given a nice paying job. 😂
He can get it done, hire Tom Jurich along with him and you’ll get your stadium upgrades or improvements done very fast. As well as facilities and upgrades for all sports.

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#2035199 - 11/06/18 11:54 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
Maximus Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/30/12
Loc: Trance Land
Miles, Leach, any coach from Alabama, then Laura Crystal, if Samantha Ryan is not available.


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#2035200 - 11/06/18 12:36 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Sure! But will she give 110% effort every time? LOL
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#2035217 - 11/06/18 04:27 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: Maximus]
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Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Mc to the Pherson
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#2035224 - 11/06/18 05:35 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
INation Offline
Thunderhawk

Registered: 09/20/14
Chris Klieman
Dave Doeren
Jason Candle

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#2035246 - 11/06/18 09:18 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
Miles is looking more and more likely.....

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#2035266 - 11/07/18 09:45 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: Kirk]
MICHHAWK Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/29/02
Loc: Port Huron MI
Originally Posted By: Kirk
Miles is looking more and more likely.....


I'll eat my hat if Lester Miles becomes the next head football coach at KANSAS.

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#2035267 - 11/07/18 09:49 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
I have my doubts. Not about the hat....

Miles may be a nice distraction for the media at the moment. Keeps the heat off other prospects and helps keep Les pulling those LSU checks.

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#2035270 - 11/07/18 10:22 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: Maximus]
PbBut Offline
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Registered: 10/30/04
Loc: 66227
Well, at least I'd check out the post game news conference on YouTube. Kind of makes you wonder how Keegan would handle that.


Edited by PbBut (11/07/18 10:23 AM)
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#2035278 - 11/07/18 11:50 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
INation Offline
Thunderhawk

Registered: 09/20/14
If Les does get hired it should only be for 5 years or so to help rebuild the program but also get a coach in waiting named and set up.

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#2035286 - 11/07/18 03:02 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Registered: 09/08/05
Loc: Dallas, TX
Dump a truck load of money on Mike Leach. He wants to fight every school in Texas
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#2035287 - 11/07/18 04:02 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
tophawk87 Offline
John Brown

Registered: 03/19/05
Loc: Dallas, TX
your next KU head football coach is.....



here: https://rolltide.com/coaches.aspx?rc=814&path=football
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#2035288 - 11/07/18 04:10 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
^ I hope not. Need a more accomplished coach than that.

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#2035290 - 11/07/18 04:13 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: tophawk87]
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Thunderhawk

Registered: 09/20/14
Originally Posted By: tophawk87
your next KU head football coach is.....



here: https://rolltide.com/coaches.aspx?rc=814&path=football


Turner Gill part 2?

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#2035303 - 11/07/18 10:37 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
Jaycat92 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/28/14
Loc: Nebraska
I dont like the assistant coach thing. Just doesn't ring out to me. If you going to turn things around here, you hire someone who has been there and done this type of thing.

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#2035323 - 11/08/18 10:17 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: Jaycat92]
beenahawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Topeka, Kansas
Originally Posted By: Jaycat92
I dont like the assistant coach thing. Just doesn't ring out to me. If you going to turn things around here, you hire someone who has been there and done this type of thing.


Those are the exact reasons the Litterbox hired Bill Snyder...he was the top assistant to Hayden Fry who rebuilt Iowa Football from a total doormat. Bob Fredrick passed on him because he "lacked head coaching experience." So someone who was in the trenches on a successful rebuild should a least be considered. Less we make the same mistake again.

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#2035329 - 11/08/18 11:21 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: beenahawk]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/12/03
Nick Saban would never ever allow one of his assistants to coach at Kansas

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#2035330 - 11/08/18 11:46 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: beenahawk]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
I hear you, but Snyder’s long time under Hayden Fry was more impressive to me than the “coaching tree” Enos is part of. Being with Saban for five minutes isn’t the same thing.

I dig the Roy Williams effect, to borrow from another sport. An assistant with a long tutelage under a proven winner and legend who recommends him highly, might be a great route for us to go in football...but is Enos remotely that?


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#2035346 - 11/08/18 03:40 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Mc to the Pherson
Finding another Snyder is like winning the Powerball lottery a couple weeks ago. It's possible, but not very likely. We need to find common consistency in a hire to try and right this clown filled circus known as KU football.

RCJHKU!
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#2035351 - 11/08/18 06:42 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
AlOerter Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/02/13
I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for Les Miles.
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#2035352 - 11/08/18 07:47 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: AlOerter]
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Prairie Warrior

Registered: 11/17/09
Mangino was an assistant when he was hired.

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#2035367 - 11/09/18 01:00 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: Goober]
MOHAWK Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 12/23/03
Loc: San Diego, California
Yes, those were exciting times for KU football.

http://www.guppylake.com/~nsb/headjob.html

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#2035460 - 11/10/18 06:50 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/02/13
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#2035464 - 11/10/18 07:27 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/28/14
Loc: Nebraska
If we hire Miles, whats our expectations? What is realistic?

IF Beaty won 3 this season, and we think he was completely inept and I am guesssing that 6 games next season are in play?

I am guessing terms of contract would be 4 years at a few million$. I think we should win 5 games next season if Miles is legit.

Kansas ST, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU are going to be gettable next season.

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#2035465 - 11/10/18 08:41 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Crimson & Blue Blood

Registered: 07/22/07
Loc: Marshall County
Hiring Miles would be a fine short term fix but KU can't go down that road again. They need to look for someone for the long term.

People say you can't compare hiring Miles to hiring Weis. True you can't compare the coaching resume's, but took at the circumstances:

In 2012 and 2018 KU is looking to replace head coaches.

In 2012 and 2018, new Kansas Athletic Directors were looking for BIG name replacements to drum up excitement, great recruiters and help put the football program back on solid ground.

In 2012 Weis was coming off being and o-cordinator for the past 2 years (2010 in Kansas City and 2011 in Florida). Miles hasn't been a head coach for 2 years.

In 2012 Charlie Weis was 57, in 2018 Miles just turned 65.

Weis was a pro-style offensive guy who scrapped it for a spread-type offense in his second season. Miles is a pro-style guy with talk from people already asking will he scrap it for a spread-type offense as well to fit in the Big XII style of play..

In 2012, Weis was getting paid a buyout from Notre Dame. In 2018 Miles is getting paid a buyout from LSU.

In 2012 and 2018 both BIG name candidates wanted to get back into a head coaching position with the Athletic Director who seems to be willing to pay a hefty amount to get their guy.

Does Miles want to coach? Or, does Miles want to coach KANSAS FOOTBALL?

IF Kansas were to offer Miles say $2 million a season and then say Maryland were to offer $2.5 million and say another school were to offer $3 million, which job would Miles take.

KU tried hiring the HOT up and comer from a rinky dink school from a rinky dink conference like they tried with Gill.

When was the last time Kansas had a successful program? When they hired a TOP assistant from one of the TOP football programs in the country in one of the TOP conferences in the country in Mark Mangino.



Edited by JHawkJunkie74 (11/11/18 09:55 AM)
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#2035473 - 11/11/18 12:38 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
Jaycat92 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/28/14
Loc: Nebraska
Watching football, if USC loses to Cal tonight, currently behind, that job will be open.

Maryland
USC
Kansas
Kansas ST-Snyder should retire
Iowa ST- Campbell will be a hot name on all big time lists

These are potential openings with us and Maryland. I would say that right now we are the worst of those openings.

Who ever we pick, it needs to happen sooner than later. Too many jobs will be on the board, and every time one gets added, we move down the desirable board even further.

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#2035474 - 11/11/18 12:44 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
I assume Long understands the situation. If we’re the worst on the list, indeed we may not be able to get the best available prospects in the country. Yep.

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#2035479 - 11/11/18 08:53 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
JhawkJunkkie - The similarities for hiring Weis / Miles post doesn't mention that Weis' health (weight/leg/hip issues) was THE main difference between him and Miles. Miles remains healthy while we ignored that issue when giving a contract to Weis. Also ignored Weis' lack of experience in doing a turn around at Kansas. So let's get a healthy eager new coach soon...
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#2035482 - 11/11/18 09:40 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
AlOerter Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/02/13
Miles and Weis comparison not even close.

Miles LSU - 114 - 34, 1 NC, 1 Runner-up, 11 bowls

Miles OK ST - 28 - 21, 4 - 7, 8 - 5, 9 -4, 7 - 5, 3 bowls

OK ST had 1 winning season in the previous 12 before Miles arrived.

Weis Notre Dame - 35 - 27, 3 bowls

Weis KU - 6 - 22, 0 bowls
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#2035483 - 11/11/18 09:50 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: AlOerter]
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Crimson & Blue Blood

Registered: 07/22/07
Loc: Marshall County
Originally Posted By: AlOerter
Miles and Weis comparison not even close.

Miles LSU - 114 - 34, 1 NC, 1 Runner-up, 11 bowls

Miles OK ST - 28 - 21, 4 - 7, 8 - 5, 9 -4, 7 - 5, 3 bowls

OK ST had 1 winning season in the previous 12 before Miles arrived.

Weis Notre Dame - 35 - 27, 3 bowls

Weis KU - 6 - 22, 0 bowls


I'm not comparing the resumes, just the circumstances around the hiring.
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#2035484 - 11/11/18 10:13 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
AlOerter Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/02/13
Understood. Circumstances have been less than ideal for 10 years. I'm more interested in getting the right person. Similarities with the past don't necessarily mean similar results in the future.

Miles is the best available without question. There may be an up-and-comer that is equal to the task but, as we know, it is a big gamble. Long is in no position to take a big gamble with this. Go with the known winner. Get this program on its feet and then - maybe - take a gamble.
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#2035485 - 11/11/18 10:36 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: AlOerter]
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gale sayers

Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
Originally Posted By: AlOerter
Understood. Circumstances have been less than ideal for 10 years. I'm more interested in getting the right person. Similarities with the past don't necessarily mean similar results in the future.

Miles is the best available without question. There may be an up-and-comer that is equal to the task but, as we know, it is a big gamble. Long is in no position to take a big gamble with this. Go with the known winner. Get this program on its feet and then - maybe - take a gamble.

It’s been over two years since Miles was fired. Why hasn’t he been offered and accepted another position if he is such a sure thing and he wants to coach badly. Word is the interviews don’t go well. Personally I would rather get some one who is on the way up not on the way down.
Long has indicated he will increase the support staff... putting money in people not in brick and mortar. Alabama has a support staff 10 times the size of beatys. That’s how you build a program... idiot zenger had it backwards from the beginning

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#2035486 - 11/11/18 10:58 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
"It’s been over two years since Miles was fired. Why hasn’t he been offered and accepted another position if he is such a sure thing and he wants to coach badly" - I assume you don't know about the LSU buyout structure in place over a six year period since the 2016 firing of Miles. It's a major factor for any university to consider over the obvious talent Miles would bring Kansas. Plus his close ties to Long would be a pro for hiring him. Instant credibility for KU as well. Dadgum it hire the dude!!
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#2035488 - 11/11/18 11:45 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
Yeah, in effect Miles is actually being paid to have “bad interviews.” I would have them too!

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#2035491 - 11/11/18 01:22 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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gale sayers

Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
"It’s been over two years since Miles was fired. Why hasn’t he been offered and accepted another position if he is such a sure thing and he wants to coach badly" - I assume you don't know about the LSU buyout structure in place over a six year period since the 2016 firing of Miles. It's a major factor for any university to consider over the obvious talent Miles would bring Kansas. Plus his close ties to Long would be a pro for hiring him. Instant credibility for KU as well. Dadgum it hire the dude!!

Maybe I misunderstand the buyout....if so please clarify for me. It's my understanding LSU is obligated to pay Miles 9 million over 6 years. That's approximately 1.5 million each year. If he at any time during that 6 years Miles signs a new contract then LSU is off the hook for any more payments. So Miles can sit on his ass for the next 4 years and be paid 1.5 mil per year or he can get a new job....which would no doubt pay him a minimum of 3 mil a year for a gain of 1.5 mil at least for Miles. Seems like a no brainer if the guy really wants to coach. On the other hand if he isn't particularly motivated to coach again....he has a nice salary to draw without doing anything other than making an attempt to get a job. There is no buyout by KU to LSU or to Miles other than whatever a contract would pay him to coach at KU.

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#2035492 - 11/11/18 02:12 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: track]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/29/06
Loc: Wichita
Originally Posted By: track
Originally Posted By: AlOerter
Understood. Circumstances have been less than ideal for 10 years. I'm more interested in getting the right person. Similarities with the past don't necessarily mean similar results in the future.

Miles is the best available without question. There may be an up-and-comer that is equal to the task but, as we know, it is a big gamble. Long is in no position to take a big gamble with this. Go with the known winner. Get this program on its feet and then - maybe - take a gamble.

It’s been over two years since Miles was fired. Why hasn’t he been offered and accepted another position if he is such a sure thing and he wants to coach badly. Word is the interviews don’t go well. Personally I would rather get some one who is on the way up not on the way down.
Long has indicated he will increase the support staff... putting money in people not in brick and mortar. Alabama has a support staff 10 times the size of beatys. That’s how you build a program... idiot zenger had it backwards from the beginning


I don't read too much into Miles having not coached in two years. Maybe after working a high stress job for all those years, he wanted to take a break. He had to have interviews to satisfy the LSU requirements. If he wants to coach I would welcome him with open arms, if he doesn't he won't accept the job.

I totally disagree with you on getting someone on the way up vs the way down. A coach on his way up taking on a job like KU is too overwhelming. A coach who has been there understands what needs to be done. I like the fact that Miles both renewed a program like OSU, and managed a top notch program like LSU.

I will admit Seth Littrell intrigues me, and he is on the way up. That said if I am on the way up I am NOT going to a KU to take the chance it derails my career. Someone on the way down this is their last job so it is not a big risk. I really don't care if KU gets a coach that fully turns KU around. I am looking for someone to take KU from point C to point B, or where KU is right now to .500. If KU could get a coach that could get them to .500 that is all I am really looking for right now.

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#2035497 - 11/11/18 03:26 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Prairie Warrior

Registered: 12/04/11
Loc: Topeka
Bobby Petrino just became available

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#2035499 - 11/11/18 04:11 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Seer

Registered: 11/20/04
The board interest in Littrell is a bit perplexing. That’s what we need right now: mediocrity. What you’re looking at is a .500 record type of guy. Middle of the pack of a non-power5 conference in NT in 2016. Top of the pack in ‘17 and back to middle of the pack in ‘18. Has been to a couple of bowl games while at NT which is a positive but 0-fer in both. One thing is for sure - dude has some good PR minions. I recall similar types of oohs and ahs for similar reasons surrounding the Gill hire. Sorry, just can’t take any more chances with “promising coaches”. One more strike and it could be over.

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#2035500 - 11/11/18 04:21 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
Some one please tell me why Miles wouldn't be another CW on steroids? Maybe that's why KUCO wants him.
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#2035502 - 11/11/18 04:40 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Seer

Registered: 11/20/04
He very well could be. It really depends on whether he has any internal competitive drive or just sees a way for buyout opportunity like CW. One can only trust in Long who knows him well. Lots of candidates to pick from. Any dominance at any time especially if in a power 5 conference is worth serious consideration. Too bad the timing couldn’t have worked out for someone like Gary Patterson back in the day. Would have been a good fit and would have had a few grace years of growing pains to get KU up to some level of excellence - something which we don’t have now.

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#2035503 - 11/11/18 04:52 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 09/07/10
Loc: Florida
1. Jason Candle
2. Jeff Monken
3. Les Miles/ Dave Doeren

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#2035504 - 11/11/18 05:02 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/30/12
Loc: Trance Land
https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/08/31/college-football-coaches-fired-cal-ripken-jr-streak

KU might be looking at the recent unemployment candidates.

Kingsbury?

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-foot...hm19s4o4p6brnzd

Jim McElwain?

UCF Coach Josh Heupel ?

Rich Rodriguez?
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#2035505 - 11/11/18 05:03 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/30/12
Loc: Trance Land
https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/08/31/college-football-coaches-fired-cal-ripken-jr-streak

KU might be looking at the recent unemployment candidates.

Kingsbury?

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-foot...hm19s4o4p6brnzd

Jim McElwain?

UCF Coach Josh Heupel ?

Rich Rodriguez?



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#2035506 - 11/11/18 05:41 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
Seems there’s just nobody good enough to coach at KU!

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#2035507 - 11/11/18 07:36 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/28/14
Loc: Nebraska
I guess my question is for those who deem Miles the best over all candidate, what program did he rebuild? If your answer is Okie St, I tend to say that is more on Gundy and his offensive prowess. Don't forget Gundy was with Miles from the start, and seems to me, still having that same success there that Miles had.

I don't see a clear cut top notch hire out there right now. Miles might very well be the best on paper. I just wouldn't call him a slam dunk. He is better than Weis. He knows the colllege landscape. If we get him in here, and he gets us a top 40 recruiting class, and then builds on that for a couple more years, I would be happy with him. I think he is a 4 year coach. That might be all we need to get things more desirable here for a bigger name later on.

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#2035508 - 11/11/18 08:00 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/02/13
Miles recruited superior talent. It wasn't his game coaching prowess that brought him success. He has already said that he would get an OC in the mold of Lincoln Riley if he got another job.

Best on paper. Best realistic available, attainable. You can find something wrong with every name that's been mentioned. What do you want for KU football? The perfect hire? The second or third best on paper?

I would go with someone who's attained success at the highest level of college football if I could get him. Miles is the only one on the list with those credentials.
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#2035509 - 11/11/18 09:17 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: Jaycat92]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/29/06
Loc: Wichita
Originally Posted By: Jaycat92
I guess my question is for those who deem Miles the best over all candidate, what program did he rebuild? If your answer is Okie St, I tend to say that is more on Gundy and his offensive prowess. Don't forget Gundy was with Miles from the start, and seems to me, still having that same success there that Miles had.

I don't see a clear cut top notch hire out there right now. Miles might very well be the best on paper. I just wouldn't call him a slam dunk. He is better than Weis. He knows the colllege landscape. If we get him in here, and he gets us a top 40 recruiting class, and then builds on that for a couple more years, I would be happy with him. I think he is a 4 year coach. That might be all we need to get things more desirable here for a bigger name later on.


For KU right now I don't think there is a slam dunk choice. Saban, Meyer heck Bear Bryant might not get it done at KU. I'd take my chances with Miles though.

I guess my question for you is why isn't Miles good enough? Who would you want to see get the job?

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#2035511 - 11/11/18 09:45 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: 58hawk]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/29/06
Loc: Wichita
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Some one please tell me why Miles wouldn't be another CW on steroids? Maybe that's why KUCO wants him.


It is not even close. Miles is a proven winner over a number of years. Weis took Willingham's players and went backwards after only a couple years.

Is it guaranteed Miles will do well, no it's not. KU is in such bad shape there is no guarantee. I would take my chances with Miles though.

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#2035533 - Yesterday at 03:59 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Mc to the Pherson
The NT guy reminds me too much of Herpe Derp Gill. Hasn't proven anything, just listed as "a good coach", for no reason. I think Gill is a PERFECT fit at a zombie institution where he is at now, that doesn't allow free thought, and everyone is basically beaten to submit and do as they are told, NO questions asked.

Miles would be an instant "it" guy that would truly throw juice into the program instantly. Only thing we must all agree on is they MUST get it right this time. No super bargain unproven gambles. A REAL coach with a REAL pedigree as a HEAD coach.

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#2035542 - Yesterday at 07:47 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/02/13
Graham sounds interesting. http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/nov/12/report-ku-interested-former-arizona-state-football/

It sounds like Miles may have spit the bit. Canceled flight to Baton Rouge and now this report. Graham has a decent resume.
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#2035550 - Yesterday at 08:55 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Mc to the Pherson
Would Venables even return a call for $5million at year?

RCJHKU!
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#2035560 - Yesterday at 10:22 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: KUHawkhead]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/29/06
Loc: Wichita
Originally Posted By: KUHawkhead
Would Venables even return a call for $5million at year?

RCJHKU!


Hell yes he would. He hasn't had a head coaching offer before. I am guessing you could get Venables for 2M.

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#2035562 - Yesterday at 11:00 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Registered: 04/14/09
Loc: Kansas
Hard no for Graham for me
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#2035567 - Today at 01:12 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/28/14
Loc: Nebraska
Yeah, don't like Graham either.

I would like someone who can build a defense first (Michigan) and then find offensive pieces to make it all work together. Right now is the time to get things in motion.

What I am trying to say is 4th or 5th place in the Big 12 is obtainable sooner than later. I would say that other than Texas, OU, and WVU the rest of the league is fairly even for the most part. It would take a few seasons to get personel here for a good stout D, but I would start there.

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#2035572 - Today at 08:21 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 05/17/04
Loc: Flint Hills
Exactly what about Graham you guys do not like?

Looks to me like he scores as high, or higher, than anyone else on our list. My question about him would be his ability to recruit our region of the country. Other than that he likes like a solid contender to me.
I still like the recruiting tandem possibilities of Miles/Hull. That's something I can put my finger on and call it a win/win idea. Graham's overall record may be best of them all.
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#2035577 - Today at 08:51 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
Miles seems less realistic each day. Graham might be good for the program if he can stick around long enough. Part of the job description for a rebuild like this is to “eat sh!t” for a couple years minimum, week after week. Can he do that? Graham tends to bolt jobs a lot, so that may be an issue.

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#2035578 - Today at 09:18 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 05/17/04
Loc: Flint Hills
"Miles seems less realistic each day."

Why? Getting all the i's dotted and t's crossed on a complicated numbers game like that one takes time to get done to everyone's satisfaction, not to mention the other considerations.
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#2035579 - Today at 09:50 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: moose1]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 11/25/06
Originally Posted By: moose1
Originally Posted By: KUHawkhead
Would Venables even return a call for $5million at year?

RCJHKU!


Hell yes he would. He hasn't had a head coaching offer before. I am guessing you could get Venables for 2M.

Isn't he getting more than that at Clemson?

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#2035580 - Today at 09:58 AM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: appyhawk]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
Let me flip that around. How do we know Miles is a real candidate at all? Isn’t it all conjecture based on his previous association with Long?

And if the unemployed Miles was always in the works, what’s the holdup? Wouldn’t they want to get onto recruiting for a program that has like, nobody coming in?

I’m not saying it absolutely won’t or can’t be Miles...but it’s starting to sound a little dubious. Hope I’m wrong!

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#2035584 - Today at 05:56 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/02/13
Miles could have any job open now if he wants it. Knowing Long is a plus because everyone wants a boss they have a good relationship with. KU is the most difficult rebuild of the current openings but has a lot of potential. Anyone who succeeds will attain status as the best program builder since BS in Mancrappy.

Then again, he could just be fulfilling the terms of his buyout with LSU.
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#2035585 - Today at 06:12 PM Re: who is your top coaching choices [Re: DrGreydog]
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John Brown

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
It's a doable rebuild though. I mean, it's going to be sucky for the first two years, really sucky, but after that we could be looking at .500 seasons and up. OU, UT and possibly WVU will be practically unbeatable (for us), but these days, teams who looked like they were going to stay heavyweights (TCU, Baylor), aren't. Strong teams like Texas Tech and OSU never seem to get over the hump blocking them from the top tier, and while ISU is looking more competitive, bless their little hearts, they're definitely within range of what we can accomplish. KState may be headed back down the toilet forever, who knows.

KU has money, the most beautiful fcuking campus in the world, a marvelous place to raise kids, and there's no reason some strong coach can't eat sh!t for a couple crummy years in order to grab some greatness. Even though Beaty was unable to recruit more than a singe GD kid.

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