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#2033771 - 09/24/18 03:55 PM Why keep Beaty?
DallasJHawk Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 09/24/05
Loc: Dallas, Texas
I've tried, but I don't see why he would be retained.

He was sold as someone who knows Texas and can recruit that area- the number of Texas signees has decreased. Recruiting has been discussed ad nauseum but it's not translating into on-field success.

There are little to no signs of progress- I believe in the 3 legitimate/FBS wins he has, we have averaged getting 6 turnovers. Short of that happening, we typically don't compete. The two coaches we had in relatively recent times who were successful had some concrete indications that the team was progressing- Mason was coaching when I went to KU. His first team was bad but I recall they were tough- even early there were some signs that they were competitive and year-by-year they increased their win total. Beaty's tenure- no indication of this.

Would anyone hire him as a head coach?

In 3+ years of him coaching, has a post-game write up every made the claim that the other team was outcoached by KU's coaches? He is indecisive (his nickname should be time out), the team ineffective. The stats from the other day on the avg number of yards gained on 3rd down attempts was ridiculous- we need 9, you can count on KU with a pass play for 3. Why? Do we just not have the horses?

Since he has been coach, has KU had 1 game where they went out and outperformed expectations on a given Saturday against a good team? The UT victory, beating a lame duck coach coaching a mediocre team, courtesy of 6 turnovers, in OT? I guess we had a game against TCU where we hung? KU's futility is so predictable.

It is frustrating but it is also liberating to know what to expect, though- you know KU will get taken to the woodshed every Saturday playing a legitimate team. Better than my OU buddy sweating out an OT win over Army- don't know what he would have done if they lost...

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#2033918 - 09/29/18 05:03 PM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: DallasJHawk]
Kirk Offline
Phog Fanatic

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
It’s a matter of when.

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#2033925 - 09/29/18 06:57 PM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: DallasJHawk]
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Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 11/26/03
Loc: Shawnee, KS
I thought it was telling.....in the post game. David Beaty complemented OSU on having a "good game plan".....
That's great Beaty, when do we have a "good game plan" ????
The second week in a row that the other team has had a "good game plan".....it's actually dumbfounding! I really don't think he/they know what to do......

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#2033927 - 09/29/18 08:22 PM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: DallasJHawk]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/29/06
Loc: Wichita
Beaty might actually make a decent head coach some day, but it will NOT be with KU. He is slowly getting better, but is still a long ways from where he needs to be. He would best be suited to be an offensive coordinator someplace, and learn from an experienced head coach. I always had a problem with Beaty's level of experience.

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#2033935 - 09/29/18 10:41 PM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: DallasJHawk]
Josh2408 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 01/03/15
Loc: Indiana
Funny thing is watching the game with my father in law we drew the same conclusion, Oklahoma State didn't have any better players than we did and we have a talented team and should've won that game. If it not for Beaty I believe we would be 4 - 0 right now because we have the talent. I also lay about 40% of this offensive failures on Meachum cause he is just to damn predictable with his play calling, so if Beaty Goes I want Him gone too.


Edited by Josh2408 (09/29/18 10:47 PM)
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#2033941 - 09/29/18 11:06 PM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: Josh2408]
Kman_blue Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
If (more likely when) Beaty goes, Meacham and Bowen are both going with him or soon after. I'm fairly confident about that.

Also, I dunno about KU and Okie St. having about the same level of talent. I thought their DL was significantly more talented than ours, as well as their WR core as a whole. Their OL looked more talented than ours also.

Hill is a beast and Pooka is probably just as talented, but a lot less experienced and I could buy an argument that the rest of the position groups are close to equal in talent, but I think their better lineman in particular were a large part of the difference in the game today.
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#2033945 - 09/30/18 03:12 AM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: DallasJHawk]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Better lines for OSU between the two programs, and WR's as well, generally. Hard to see where we had a decent chance of upsetting, ever, yesterday.


Winning starts "in the trenches" and we lost today. The program at Kansas seriously needs an upgrade in developing these guys we are starting. Players fault? Hardly, we need a turn around specialist who can bring in his own staff instead of merely BFF types to hang with David Beaty.
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#2034094 - 10/06/18 08:22 AM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: DallasJHawk]
used_cars Offline
Crimson & Blue Blood

Registered: 09/08/05
Loc: Dallas, TX
turning over coaches every 4 years resembles the definition of insanity
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#2034095 - 10/06/18 08:25 AM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: DallasJHawk]
used_cars Offline
Crimson & Blue Blood

Registered: 09/08/05
Loc: Dallas, TX
Our winningest coach in history is barely over 500 but let's just keep firing dudes after 3 years. Who would want the job?
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#2034098 - 10/06/18 09:15 AM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: DallasJHawk]
KUHawkhead Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Mc to the Pherson
I know what you're saying used, and normally I would agree, BUT....our attendance is down over 50% since Mangino left. Beaty could win the rest of our games, and I doubt there would be that much of a bump in attendance (probably a stretch but you get my point). There's no "buy in" with him and he's as exciting of an interview as Bill Snyder, without the wins. Our program is seriously hemorrhaging cash, the basketball program is having its run with negative publicity, and all it would take to get us out of a P5 conference would be realignment RIGHT NOW.

Long was hired for one reason and one reason only....FIX FOOTBALL. He will bring in his own guy, as that's what AD's do. There are some parts and pieces on this team that actually belong on a D1 team (something that couldn't be said a couple years ago), so in a way Beaty did improve what he inherited, which was his job to do. I think there is just too much of an urgency right now to sit on the sidelines and tell the 5000 or so fans remaining that actually follow this team that "we're improving".

Unfortunately, knowing our history, we will probably go the wrong direction, and rehire Chaz Frontbutt because somehow he has a friendship with Long that we didn't know about when we hired him. Whoever we get MUST have a resume. No more finding the gem that no one has heard about. Those days sailed almost a decade ago.

RCJHKU!
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#2034099 - 10/06/18 09:15 AM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: DallasJHawk]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
So if you need to replace the transmission in your used car every year, you just shrug your shoulders and open the wallet. Why keep the lemon after you KNOW it's a dud?
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#2034104 - 10/06/18 09:25 AM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: used_cars]
Kman_blue Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: used_cars
Our winningest coach in history is barely over 500 but let's just keep firing dudes after 3 years. Who would want the job?
Fielding Yost was 10-0 at KU. As you're mentioning winning % as your criteria for winningest coach, Fielding Yost would be that coach and he was well above 500.

If you want to say coaches who coached more than 1 season, then that'd be Wylie Woodruff who went 15-3 at KU. Still well above 500. If you went further and extended the criteria to a coach who coached more than 2 seasons, then that'd be A.R. Kennedy who went 52-9-4 at KU. Again, well above 500. He also won the most games of any coach at KU.

Since you're referring to Mangino, he'd be the #18 winningest coach at KU in terms of winning % and #2 behind aforementioned Kennedy in total wins. It took Mangino 9 seasons to win 50 games in an era when we averaged 11 games a season, while Kennedy won 52 games in 7 seasons in an era when we averaged 9 games a season.

I get your point though, but my point is let's not elevate Mangino above what he was(a very good coach, but definitely not the GOAT) just because we've had a string of shi|tty coaches since.
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#2034106 - 10/06/18 09:28 AM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: KUCO_VOC]
Kman_blue Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
So if you need to replace the transmission in your used car every year, you just shrug your shoulders and open the wallet. Why keep the lemon after you KNOW it's a dud?
So, you're for KU dropping the football program? That'd logically be the car in this analogy, while the transmission would be the coach.
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#2034107 - 10/06/18 09:32 AM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: KUHawkhead]
Kman_blue Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: KUHawkhead
Unfortunately, knowing our history, we will probably go the wrong direction, and rehire Chaz Frontbutt because somehow he has a friendship with Long that we didn't know about when we hired him. Whoever we get MUST have a resume. No more finding the gem that no one has heard about. Those days sailed almost a decade ago.

RCJHKU!
I dunno, I've got more confidence in Long than I've had in a KU AD in a long time now. I'm betting the odds are much greater that if/when he has to hire a new coach he'll get it right.
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#2034108 - 10/06/18 09:42 AM Re: Why keep Beaty? [Re: Kman_blue]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
So if you need to replace the transmission in your used car every year, you just shrug your shoulders and open the wallet. Why keep the lemon after you KNOW it's a dud?
So, you're for KU dropping the football program? That'd logically be the car in this analogy, while the transmission would be the coach.
Used car analogy was a word play on the poster's handle (usedcar). No the HC is the auto needing retooling every season. He is too expensive for the lack of success he has created. Hence the dropping of attendance numbers year over year as evidence. Total lemon.
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