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#2033716 - 09/22/18 07:03 PM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Leawood]
Josh2408 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 01/03/15
Loc: Indiana
all in all not a blow out a close game I liked what I saw, and I saw progress, which is good enough for me, Beaty still needs to go, Proud of the D1 kids and how they battled today
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#2033718 - 09/22/18 07:15 PM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Josh2408]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/12/03
Originally Posted By: Josh2408
all in all not a blow out a close game I liked what I saw, and I saw progress, which is good enough for me, Beaty still needs to go, Proud of the D1 kids and how they battled today


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#2033725 - 09/22/18 10:36 PM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Leawood]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Where's BeenaHawk?

Beena was all over this I believe toward the end of the 2016 season and I made a few comments about it last year. I'm talking about why Beaty makes so many horrible in game coaching decisions. He's got no innate feel for the game or good hunches. He relies on analysis sheets to try and make decisions, instead of going on his own judgement from watching/coaching the game(not sure he has judgement at this point, good or bad; he just appears to have none) or even instinct, like a lot of good coaches do. Not having the confidence or quick judgement ability to make calls has lead to 95% of these terrible in game calls IMO.

This is why he calls so many questionable/terrible timeouts too. He's too damned busy consulting analytic charts and being indecisive instead of making the call and living or dying by it. Instead he slowly drowns in indecision and over-analysis.

As I said, Beena was all over this relatively early and I think he's been proven to be right on this one. So, I'd love to hear his comments now and if he's got anymore to say about it. I guess it being past 10:30PM we may not hear from him until tomorrow.
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#2033726 - 09/22/18 10:39 PM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Josh2408]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: Josh2408
all in all not a blow out a close game I liked what I saw, and I saw progress, which is good enough for me, Beaty still needs to go, Proud of the D1 kids and how they battled today
I saw some progress in terms of the quality of play by several of our players, but I didn't see any progress in terms of the coaching really. Our players are better and more experienced than they were last year and that's the only real reason why this game was closer IMHO.
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#2033728 - 09/22/18 10:51 PM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Leawood]
INation Offline
Thunderhawk

Registered: 09/20/14
Beating CMU and blowing our Rutgers saved Beaty from being fired in season but losing to Baylor, I would think, guaranteed himself to be fired at years end.

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#2033729 - 09/23/18 12:20 AM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: INation]
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Phog Fanatic

Registered: 12/07/15
Originally Posted By: INation
Beating CMU and blowing our Rutgers saved Beaty from being fired in season but losing to Baylor, I would think, guaranteed himself to be fired at years end.


No chance Beaty makes it all the way through the season. I'm guessing he will be gone after KU falls to 2-4.

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#2033741 - 09/23/18 08:35 AM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: EstebanBugatti]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/29/06
Loc: Wichita
Originally Posted By: EstebanBugatti
Originally Posted By: INation
Beating CMU and blowing our Rutgers saved Beaty from being fired in season but losing to Baylor, I would think, guaranteed himself to be fired at years end.


No chance Beaty makes it all the way through the season. I'm guessing he will be gone after KU falls to 2-4.


He will stick around longer than that. Firing him after 4 games probably causes more problems than it solves. I say after game 8 maybe 9.

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#2033742 - 09/23/18 08:46 AM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Kman_blue]
moose1 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/29/06
Loc: Wichita
Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Where's BeenaHawk?

Beena was all over this I believe toward the end of the 2016 season and I made a few comments about it last year. I'm talking about why Beaty makes so many horrible in game coaching decisions. He's got no innate feel for the game or good hunches. He relies on analysis sheets to try and make decisions, instead of going on his own judgement from watching/coaching the game(not sure he has judgement at this point, good or bad; he just appears to have none) or even instinct, like a lot of good coaches do. Not having the confidence or quick judgement ability to make calls has lead to 95% of these terrible in game calls IMO.

This is why he calls so many questionable/terrible timeouts too. He's too damned busy consulting analytic charts and being indecisive instead of making the call and living or dying by it. Instead he slowly drowns in indecision and over-analysis.

As I said, Beena was all over this relatively early and I think he's been proven to be right on this one. So, I'd love to hear his comments now and if he's got anymore to say about it. I guess it being past 10:30PM we may not hear from him until tomorrow.


He is out there playing checkers when the other coaches are playing chess. Beaty almost always uses his timeouts in reaction to the other teams coach. A perfect example is when Rhule got Beaty to call a timeout late in the game when everyone knew they were not serious about going for it, and that they were going to punt it no matter what. He is just too slow to make a decision for major college football. Analytics are fine for prep, but you can't do that in a game.

Also it was a basic game plan with absolutely no adjustments in the game. It was pretty clear BU was stacking against the run (which they should after KUs first 3 games) yet there was almost no play action. Pooka is great, but there is only so much that can be done when the other team is loading the box. You have to loosen things up.

Is Meachum calling the plays or does Beaty have some input in that still. I would think Meachum would be smarter than that.

I was also disappointed KU did not bring hardly any pressure. You give a quarterback enough time he WILL find someone open, I don't care how many D backs are back there.

I think this loss ends the suspense. Beaty really needed to win this one. Chances are slim coming up. ISU is probably the only other opportunity, and even winning that does not save Beaty.

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#2033745 - 09/23/18 10:07 AM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: moose1]
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Registered: 11/17/09
KSU is pretty bad. But Snyder vs. Beaty is an epic mismatch.

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#2033747 - 09/23/18 10:57 AM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Leawood]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/02/13
Leawood, I understand your frustration. Consider, after the raw emotion has subsided, that the current AD has been on the job only about 2 months. I'm sure he knew what he was up against when he accepted the job and he must be careful to get his first coaching hire here absolutely right. A knee-jerk reaction will not get it done. I believe he has a when and who already in mind and that timing is critical.

I am as disgusted as you are by what I saw on the field yesterday but we need to give Long a chance to do his job. Love your passion.
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#2033779 - 09/25/18 08:58 AM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Kman_blue]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Topeka, Kansas
Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Where's BeenaHawk?

Beena was all over this I believe toward the end of the 2016 season and I made a few comments about it last year. I'm talking about why Beaty makes so many horrible in game coaching decisions. He's got no innate feel for the game or good hunches. He relies on analysis sheets to try and make decisions, instead of going on his own judgement from watching/coaching the game(not sure he has judgement at this point, good or bad; he just appears to have none) or even instinct, like a lot of good coaches do. Not having the confidence or quick judgement ability to make calls has lead to 95% of these terrible in game calls IMO.

This is why he calls so many questionable/terrible timeouts too. He's too damned busy consulting analytic charts and being indecisive instead of making the call and living or dying by it. Instead he slowly drowns in indecision and over-analysis.

As I said, Beena was all over this relatively early and I think he's been proven to be right on this one. So, I'd love to hear his comments now and if he's got anymore to say about it. I guess it being past 10:30PM we may not hear from him until tomorrow.


I'm here now. Nothing has changed which is why I'm still on the can Beaty wagon. My favorite from this game? Calling the TO as the Bears were getting ready to take the delay of game! I'm sure that DB has a chart telling him that 8% of the time a team getting ready to take a delay of game actually runs a fly pattern and 2% of the time scores on the play...thus the need to use that final TO.

The games against Rutgers and CMU were simply anomalies because of the turnover margin...Beaty has a chart on those stats too.....it says that a plus six TO ratio results in a 95% chance of victory! No $hit Sherlock! Geesh, I've been watching KU football since 1966 and have never witnessed a coach and program suffering from a worse case of "paralysis from analysis".

Like Leawood, we gave up our long held season ducats....they have become overpriced beyond anything a normal person would pay for....last season, we couldn't even GIVE AWAY any extra's...all on the 50 yard line. I even wrote the AD and asked why we should continue to purchase tickets when we can go up on game day get one for free before kickoff (or at worst, pay someone $5) then sit virtually anywhere in Old Memorial? But, better yet, why go through the trouble of even going, parking, consuming horrible concession crap, be forced to listen to PA music blasting so loud it can be heard in Wyandotte County all after getting frisked like Public Enemy # 1 as you enter. Between Beaty and the worst football in Jayhawk history and the ruined gameday atmosphere created by the Athletic Department.....stay at home and watch it on TV (since every game is now televised), better yet, DVR the damn thing and enjoy the fine fall afternoons in some other way.

Even if Beaty was fired tomorrow, KU Football is still 3 full years away from being competitive with a new actually qualified head coach and staff and 4 or 5 years away from actually being relevant. I'm too damn old to wait around.

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#2033795 - 09/25/18 04:05 PM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Leawood]
KUHawkhead Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Mc to the Pherson
I agree. I know a person who was called and badgered about what would it take to get you back in Memorial Stadium in the fall? They stated that they would buy three pairs of their best tickets if the athletic department could guarantee them one thing. What was it? 3 wins. He said they don't have to be conference wins. They don't have to be home wins. Just three wins. The ticket broker told him "well...we can't predict what will happen this year...". "The phuck I can't!" was my friends reply.

I mean seriously.....why should you pay premium prices for a wholesale (at best) product? If we look as lost against better competition as we did week one and week four, Beaty will be out the door after game six IMHO.

Beena is right. Three years with a COMPETENT ESTABLISHED coach BEFORE we even look like a D1 P5 team.....five to seven before we MIGHT do anything relevant.

RCJHKU!
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#2033952 - 09/30/18 12:11 PM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Leawood]
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Abolitionist

Registered: 01/15/03
Loc: Now, The Plaza
Homecoming: 18,000.

Stadium seating capacity: 50,250.

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#2033954 - 09/30/18 01:01 PM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Leawood]
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Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 03/02/05
Loc: Jackson Hole, Wy
WV will score 70 points and Beaty will be gone. I just don't know who we could get that could bring some team speed to Lawrence. Beaty has at least built some depth but lack of speed keeps burning us.
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#2033955 - 09/30/18 01:04 PM Re: How Long Must We Suffer? [Re: Leawood]
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Junior Jayhawk

Registered: 03/02/05
Loc: Jackson Hole, Wy
We gave up our 50 yard line tickets also.
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