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#2033796 - 09/25/18 04:14 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: Kman_blue]
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I agree with the Webb statement, but Cummings was like the second coming of Mark Williams from 1995. I had MANY KSU fans state how happy they were that we didn't start him and let him play instead of the beat up Crist and washout Heaps.

So many mistakes and beliefs that Weis had that were made. He made Herpe Derp Gill look like Knute Rockne.

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#2033798 - 09/25/18 04:55 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: Magicman]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: Magicman
I don't care much for the three man rush, but I will say that Baylor had the most blatant holding that I've ever seen! I've coached football for over 35 years, and I've always thought that hands outside the shoulder pads, with both hands full of jersey was called holding. I very seldom say much about the officials, but that was very obvious. They held almost every play, especially the right tackle. He held big time on their first touchdown pass! I'm not saying that it cost us the game, but having over a hundred yards in holding penalties and many plays brought back, sure wouldn't have helped them any!
Yeah, I said as much in another post. #77 for Baylor was getting away with murder just about every single passing down. It was really bad.
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#2033801 - 09/25/18 05:24 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Topeka, Kansas
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: track
I continually hear on this board that Beaty is a terrible game manager. I think his real failure is in living up to the hype of him being a good recruiter. I just don’t see it in the talent he has brought to KU. Except for Pooka, he has brought in zero game changers in four years.
I say terrible game manager is probably the worst trait, but his overall recruiting is right up there as well.


Look at our roster, especially the starters. Zenger hired Beaty to recruit the state of Texas. We have as many Free State kids as we do would be Bevos! I didn't think KU would ever again have Bud Moore or Gameball recruiting deficiencies, then along came DB! Geesh................Think I'll start attending Washburn games, $5, better concessions, easier parking, no "media timeouts" or replay reviews. Game starts at 1:00 is over by 4:00 and the football is pretty damn good!

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#2033802 - 09/25/18 05:41 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: track]
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Your first paragraph is right on point. I think a case could be made that KU had the three best running backs in uniform against Baylor, but no consistent blocking, so who'll ever know. The pass blocking is no better, so when you can't run OR pass...And as for Snyder development skills? Sometimes it takes three, four, or five years, can't do that with JuCos and Grad Transfers.

And the DL is in pretty much the same position. I love Dineen and Heeney, real warriors. But IMO these crazy tackle totals are the result of guys in front of them just rarely winning. I get the concept of DL occupying blockers, but sometimes you should win those and make the play. I'm waiting for the day when Dineen is helping a lineman off the pile rather than the other way around.
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#2033803 - 09/25/18 08:55 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: PbBut]
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Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
Our linebackers... Dineen and Loneker are warriors and without them we would be giving up 100 points a game. That being said, they are not particularly fast or big. They play well off the line of scrimmage so they don’t have to deal with bigger and stronger opponents offensive lineman. They make a lot of game saving tackles after the opposing runner has already past the line of scrimmage. They are not exactly Big 12 proto type linebackers and certainly not what you see in the SEC. however we are lucky to have them though because they may not be the fastest or the biggest but they play with great passion and they are as tough as they come.

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#2033805 - 09/25/18 09:19 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: PbBut]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: PbBut
Your first paragraph is right on point. I think a case could be made that KU had the three best running backs in uniform against Baylor, but no consistent blocking, so who'll ever know. The pass blocking is no better, so when you can't run OR pass...And as for Snyder development skills? Sometimes it takes three, four, or five years, can't do that with JuCos and Grad Transfers.
I thought the OL blocked well enough in pass protection, but Bender didn't get rid of it quick enough too many times.

Where we really struggled was identifying and picking up blitzes, but again I'd put more of that blame on the QB's and WR's. I'm not sure if our QB's and WR's have yet properly recognized a blitz and broke off their route or immediately got the ball out to the release guy or to a WR running his "blitz" route.
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#2033995 - 10/02/18 03:26 AM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: Josh2408]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
We're now sitting at the #68 D and #57 scoring D in the country.

The good.

KU's rank(conf.),___category,___stat

#1(#1), had passes intercepted, 0 (1 of only 4 teams with 0)
#1(#1), TO margin/game, +2.40
#1(#1), TO gained, 14
#1(#1), TO lost(fewest), 2
#3(#1), defensive TD's, 3
#4(#1), passes intercepted, 8
#5(#1), fumbles recovered, 6
#24(#3), fumbles lost, 2
#24(#4), punt return D, 3.60
#24(#5), 4th down conversion(allowed), 0.333
#30(#3), net punting, 40.26

Individually:

Nat. rank(conf.),___player,___category,___stat
#1(#1), Dineen, solo tackles per game, 9.0
#3(#1), Torneden, fumbles recovered, 2
#4(#1), Pooka, yards per rush, 7.90
#7(#2), Dineen, total tackles/game, 12.60
#11(#1), Pooka, all purpose yds/game, 154.50
#12(#1), Pooka, rush yds/game, 118.50
#21(#2), Pooka, total rush yds, 474
#26(#3), Thompson, punting avg., 43.60
#35(#4), Lassiter, punt returns avg., 8.40


The bad and the ugly:

KU's rank(conf.),___category,___stat
#123(#10), passing yds/completion, 9.45
#116(#9), team sacks/game, 1
#116(#10), 3rd down conversion %, 0.324
#112(#9), sacks allowed/game, 3.20
#111(#9), team tkls for loss/game, 4.6
#109(#9), passing yds/game, 175.8
#105(#9), tkls for loss allowed/game, 7.40
#103(#8), total O yds/game, 359.8
#95(#8), total 1st downs, 88
#92(#10), rush D yds/game, 177.2
#83(#8), red zone O, 0.818


129 teams ranked in most categories.


Edited by Kman_blue (10/06/18 09:00 AM)
Edit Reason: Added per game on sacks and new rank
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#2034013 - 10/02/18 09:04 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: Kman_blue]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 01/03/15
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
We're now sitting at the #68 D and #57 scoring D in the country.

The good.

KU's rank(conf.),___category,___stat

#1(#1), had passes intercepted, 0 (1 of only 4 teams with 0)
#1(#1), TO margin/game, +2.40
#1(#1), TO gained, 14
#1(#1), TO lost(fewest), 2
#3(#1), defensive TD's, 3
#4(#1), passes intercepted, 8
#5(#1), fumbles recovered, 6
#24(#3), fumbles lost, 2
#24(#4), punt return D, 3.60
#24(#5), 4th down conversion(allowed), 0.333
#30(#3), net punting, 40.26

Individually:

Nat. rank(conf.),___player,___category,___stat
#1(#1), Dineen, solo tackles per game, 9.0
#3(#1), Torneden, fumbles recovered, 2
#4(#1), Pooka, yards per rush, 7.90
#7(#2), Dineen, total tackles/game, 12.60
#11(#1), Pooka, all purpose yds/game, 154.50
#12(#1), Pooka, rush yds/game, 118.50
#21(#2), Pooka, total rush yds, 474
#26(#3), Thompson, punting avg., 43.60
#35(#4), Lassiter, punt returns avg., 8.40


The bad and the ugly:

KU's rank(conf.),___category,___stat
#123(#10), passing yds/completion, 9.45
#118(#9), team sacks, 1
#116(#10), 3rd down conversion %, 0.324
#112(#9), sacks allowed/game, 3.20
#111(#9), team tkls for loss/game, 4.6
#109(#9), passing yds/game, 175.8
#105(#9), tkls for loss allowed/game, 7.40
#103(#8), total O yds/game, 359.8
#95(#8), total 1st downs, 88
#92(#10), rush D yds/game, 177.2
#83(#8), red zone O, 0.818


129 teams ranked in most categories.


I see those offensive rankings and im actually encouraged with the progress of our kids, before we would've been dead last so that is progress to me
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#2034047 - 10/03/18 03:35 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: Jman1]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/12/03
Originally Posted By: Jman1
Originally Posted By: INation
Don't mean S#!t. KU had a top 5 recruiting class at one point last year and see how that turned out! I imagine we'll end up ranked in the 75-85 range by years end.


I think you mean more like 105 after the B9 Rib roastings, but if they continue to get those yummy apple turnovers, they might actually be in the 50s or 60s at years end


Slowly creeping down to that 105 number. After OU and UT get ahold of this team they will be about #90 I'm thinking.

The 450 yards Grier is gonna put up in the first half won't really help to strengthen the numbers, either, IMHO

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#2034078 - 10/05/18 03:16 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: Jman1]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/12/03
The bad and the ugly:

KU's rank(conf.),___category,___stat
#123(#10), passing yds/completion, 9.45
#118(#9), team sacks, 1
#116(#10), 3rd down conversion %, 0.324
#112(#9), sacks allowed/game, 3.20
#111(#9), team tkls for loss/game, 4.6
#109(#9), passing yds/game, 175.8
#105(#9), tkls for loss allowed/game, 7.40
#103(#8), total O yds/game, 359.8
#95(#8), total 1st downs, 88
#92(#10), rush D yds/game, 177.2
#83(#8), red zone O, 0.818

Wow, I think most JuCos in the country could register more than 1 against the competition we have played, but maybe I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

I mean bad is bad and all those stats are disturbingly pathetic but come on ,1? jeebus, a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

Now THAT is what we call Progress at the University of Kansas, JOSH

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#2034079 - 10/05/18 04:39 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: Jman1]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Topeka, Kansas
Originally Posted By: Jman1


Now THAT is what we call Progress at the University of Kansas, JOSH


Some of the current snowflake students and faculty think all is well. But KU and the City of Lawrence are both quite "Progressive". I've come to look at the word progress and any of it's variations as virtual insanity. crazy

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#2034096 - 10/06/18 08:59 AM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: Jman1]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: Jman1
The bad and the ugly:

KU's rank(conf.),___category,___stat
#123(#10), passing yds/completion, 9.45
#118(#9), team sacks, 1
#116(#10), 3rd down conversion %, 0.324
#112(#9), sacks allowed/game, 3.20
#111(#9), team tkls for loss/game, 4.6
#109(#9), passing yds/game, 175.8
#105(#9), tkls for loss allowed/game, 7.40
#103(#8), total O yds/game, 359.8
#95(#8), total 1st downs, 88
#92(#10), rush D yds/game, 177.2
#83(#8), red zone O, 0.818

Wow, I think most JuCos in the country could register more than 1 against the competition we have played, but maybe I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

I mean bad is bad and all those stats are disturbingly pathetic but come on ,1? jeebus, a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

Now THAT is what we call Progress at the University of Kansas, JOSH
LOL

That's my bad. It's still a bad number, but that's 1 per game on average. KU has 5 total sacks on the year. Tied with ksu for the worst in the Big 12. At least we're not as bad as Wisconsin is so far. They have 3 total sacks on the year.

We've been really bad at putting pressure on the QB this year and Bowen's new D is somewhat responsible for this. We're essentially rushing 3 and putting 8 back in coverage on obvious passing downs counting on clogging up the quick pass routes and forcing the opposing QB to make a tougher decision and more difficult throw.

That bets on your 3 pass rushers eventually getting pressure on the QB after 4 or 5 seconds or so and the opposing QB's to make more mistakes. It's going to drive down the sack numbers just by default, but it shouldn't be this bad still. It should also drive up the PBU and INT numbers, which it has. It's worked well against the bad QB's we've faced, but it's failed against the good QB's we've faced and made the average QB we've faced look a lot better than he is.

We desperately need at least 1 of our DE's to be able to beat their blocks within a few seconds to put pressure on the opposing QB and so far that just hasn't happened except for a few times. Those few times it has happened, they've lost contain and allowed the QB to run for positive yards.

Kamara looks to have the talent to be able to do this, but he's still a raw talent and is learning. I think Ogbebor could do this as kind of a LB/WDE type guy, but the coaches haven't used him in this position. A couple other guys may have the talent to do it, but so far they aren't producing on the field the way I thought they would.

While I'm at this and now that I've mentioned Ogbebor, IMO he isn't being used nearly enough. He may make mistakes, but he's got good instincts and has produced on the field both in the 2nd half of last year and the few times they've put him in this year. Lipscomb too looks to be making plays when he's in. I'd like to see more of both of those guys as I think they've got better speed and size and just make plays even if they make mistakes.
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#2034269 - 10/07/18 07:34 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: Josh2408]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Now sitting at #83 total D and #70 scoring D after facing what had been the #9 O and #21 scoring O in WVU (they're now #10 and #22).

We've now got 10 different players with an INT this year in only 6 games played. That's INSANE!

The good.

KU's rank(conf.),___category,___stat

#1(#1), TO margin/game, +2.17
#1(#1), TO gained, 18
#2(#1), passes intercepted, 11
#3(#1), fumbles recovered, 7
#5(#1), defensive TD's, 3
#9(#1), interceptions allowed, 2
#15(#1), TO's lost, 5
#22(#5), 4th down conversion(allowed), 0.333
#24(#5), punt return D, 3.91
#36(#2), fumbles lost, 3
#38(#3), red zone D, 0.773
#38(#4), net punting, 39.72


Individually:

Nat. rank(conf.),___player,___category,___stat
#1(#1), Dineen, solo tackles per game, 8.8
#3(#2), Dineen, total tackles/game, 12.30
#5(#1), Torneden, fumbles recovered, 2
#7(#1), Pooka, yards per rush, 7.49
#12(#1), Pooka, all purpose yds/game, 147.60
#16(#1), Pooka, rush yds/game, 107.80
#23(#2), Thompson, punting avg., 44.00
#25(#3), Pooka, total rush yds, 539
#25(#4), Hasan Defense, INT's, 2
#36(#5), Torneden, solo tackles/game, 5.30
#40(#1), Kyron Johnson, forced fumbles/game, .33


The bad and the ugly:

KU's rank(conf.),___category,___stat
#126(#10), passing yds/completion, 9.52
#114(#9), sacks allowed/game, 3.17
#111(#8), tkls for loss allowed/game, 7.50
#110(#10), 3rd down conversion %, 0.341
#110(#8), total O yds/game, 347.5
#109(#9), passing yds/game, 180.8
#97(#8), 4th down conversion %, 0.429
#93(#9), total 1st downs, 104
#92(#9), punt return yds/punt, 6.56
#91(#8), team sacks/game, 1.67 (10 on the year)
#89(#9), team tkls for loss/game, 5.5
#86(#8), rush D yds/game, 177.2
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#2034275 - 10/08/18 10:10 AM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: Josh2408]
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Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
If someone has time, a comparison of Kansas defense vs OU defense would be really interesting. Stoops just got let go for their defense.
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#2034279 - 10/08/18 02:02 PM Re: kansas defense ranked #38 in the Nation [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
If someone has time, a comparison of Kansas defense vs OU defense would be really interesting. Stoops just got let go for their defense.
I would still hire him in a heartbeat.
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