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#2030376 - 04/26/18 04:18 PM WTF? Scholarship limits!
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Topeka, Kansas
As we enter year four of Dave Beaty and his incessant jabbering with no results, we now learn from our dubious head Man, that it will now take ANOTHER three years to finally reach the NCAA limit of 85 players on scholarship!

If this isn't a classic example of the Head INMATE running the asylum, I don't know what is. Beaty and Zenger are the absolute masters of taking one step forward and three back.
Will DB be bemoaning his schollie plight when he starts the season 0-3? Geesh, the incompetence in the grid program is amazing!

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#2030379 - 04/26/18 07:33 PM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: beenahawk]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
If you cannot coach, the excuses will hopefully suffice for the Chancellor. DB has a 7 year plan. To keep the money flowing to his bank account that is.
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#2030380 - 04/26/18 08:11 PM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: beenahawk]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
Can't we discuss what we do have as opposed to what we don't have?
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#2030385 - 04/27/18 09:41 AM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: 58hawk]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Topeka, Kansas
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Can't we discuss what we do have as opposed to what we don't have?


I am certainly not opposed to that.

So, what do we have? A coach who now says it takes six years to refill the cupboard after Chuckles instead of three!

I would discuss the O-line, but we don't have enough of one to have a spring game... laugh

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#2030386 - 04/27/18 09:44 AM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: beenahawk]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
What we do have is a more experienced team as we only lost a handful to graduation, medical issues and transfers. We finally have a solid senior class.
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#2030387 - 04/27/18 10:44 AM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: 58hawk]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
What we do have is a more experienced team as we only lost a handful to graduation, medical issues and transfers. We finally have a solid senior class.
I agree that seniors who graduate on time and go out into the real world is one plus. However, as a college football fan, it would be nicer to have a staff of people looking to win some games this year and beyond. But since we avoiding (according to 58) talking about what we can't do, at least graduate the seniors. Someday, another coach will be willing to use the P5 D1 level program to be a winner on the field.
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#2030388 - 04/27/18 10:48 AM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: beenahawk]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: beenahawk
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Can't we discuss what we do have as opposed to what we don't have?


I am certainly not opposed to that.

So, what do we have? A coach who now says it takes six years to refill the cupboard after Chuckles instead of three!

I would discuss the O-line, but we don't have enough of one to have a spring game... laugh
It's an excuse by DB (no spring game) that won't be believable after the first four games this season. Wouldn't a spring game "toughen up" the softies on this roster? If I had a show of hands by the players, I would be doing a showcase spring game.
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#2030390 - 04/27/18 11:30 AM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: 58hawk]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Topeka, Kansas
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
What we do have is a more experienced team as we only lost a handful to graduation, medical issues and transfers. We finally have a solid senior class.


I agree. We have a team far more experienced at LOSING than any other D-1 school. That alone, counts for so much in Beaty's world. Losing a "handful" of players from a team that lost 11 games in a row is something we should all be proud to hang our hats on. laugh

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#2030391 - 04/27/18 12:52 PM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: beenahawk
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Can't we discuss what we do have as opposed to what we don't have?


I am certainly not opposed to that.

So, what do we have? A coach who now says it takes six years to refill the cupboard after Chuckles instead of three!

I would discuss the O-line, but we don't have enough of one to have a spring game... laugh
It's an excuse by DB (no spring game) that won't be believable after the first four games this season. Wouldn't a spring game "toughen up" the softies on this roster? If I had a show of hands by the players, I would be doing a showcase spring game.
And take a chance on injuries to the offensive line?
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#2030393 - 04/27/18 01:07 PM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: 58hawk]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: beenahawk
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Can't we discuss what we do have as opposed to what we don't have?


I am certainly not opposed to that.

So, what do we have? A coach who now says it takes six years to refill the cupboard after Chuckles instead of three!

I would discuss the O-line, but we don't have enough of one to have a spring game... laugh
It's an excuse by DB (no spring game) that won't be believable after the first four games this season. Wouldn't a spring game "toughen up" the softies on this roster? If I had a show of hands by the players, I would be doing a showcase spring game.
And take a chance on injuries to the offensive line?
The coach said we are too soft in relation to the rest of the football programs in America. So yes, every time we play a practice, scrimmage and real games, we "risk" injury. It's a contact sport, 58.

Ask the players if Beaty is wrong, and see what the reaction is. He is a loser in many ways beyond wins/losses.
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#2030394 - 04/27/18 01:15 PM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
[quote=58hawk][quote=KUCO_VOC][quote=beenahawk][quote=58hawk]

Ask the players if Beaty is wrong, and see what the reaction is. He is a loser in many ways beyond wins/losses.
Practices and scrimmages are not the same as a real game as far as hitting. We need to be healthy coming into Fall camp.
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#2030395 - 04/27/18 02:16 PM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: beenahawk]
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Pure Jayhawk

Registered: 10/30/04
Loc: 66227
And so it goes, Beena. I recall posting last spring about the roster make-up and the fact we had something like 18 WRs on scholarship and a total of 22 on the roster (I'm too lazy to look up the exact number, but it's close.) All these wide receivers and still only one football; and this spring we need to set up tackling dummies to run practice because OL are in such short supply. I can almost hear the chuckling from Lubbock to Morgantown.

And now this week we get an article about instilling toughness. Really? Toughness in football? As we enter year four, we should be talking about the strengths and weaknesses of the tight ends on the depth chart and what we're doing to improve them. But we get this thing on instilling toughness.

Is Zenger still here?
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#2030396 - 04/27/18 05:19 PM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: PbBut]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
That article certainly was an interesting account of what coach Beaty has said over the past 2 years about our scholarship numbers. Based on the things I heard and what I recall right now, we had in the high 40's when Beaty was hired and played with a number around 50 to 54 his 1st season. 2nd season we had a total in the high 50's to around 60 or so. Last year we had a total up to the high 60's. Now, it looks to me the number is around 70-74 from a quick glance.

As for our WR vs. OL numbers last year, our problem last year wasn't that we didn't have enough OL because we gave out those scholarships to WR's instead(I know you feel we only need 2 or 3 WR's tops! LOL grin ). Our problem was we didn't have enough upperclassman or guys with experience on the OL or exceptional underclassman who can be competitive early (Adeniji for example).

We've got about 9 or 10 scholarship OL right now this spring. I watched a bit of a practice last week and there were 5 of those guys sitting out due to injury by my count along with it looked like 2 of the non-scholarship guys. Heard only 2 had injuries on the more serious side which could sideline them more than a few weeks. That still leaves about 7 total OL that are healthy enough to have taken part in a spring game, so I get why they changed it up again.

Hopefully all of those guys will be healthy for summer workouts and fall practice. We've got about 5 to 8 (depending on how things work out over the next few months) more OL coming in. About 1/2 of those guys will be JUCO guys ready to compete for a spot on the 2 deep and I think 1 or 2 will be pushing for a starting spot. That'd give us anywhere from

I'm still worried about the OL come this fall. I think Ricker is a better OL coach than our previous one and that along with more ready to go type OL bodies gives me some hope the OL will be noticeably better than last year.

Before we were recruiting lighter more athletic guys that we could build up, but with our roster situation the coaches were throwing guys into the fire 2 or even 3 years before they were ready and it killed us. This year it appears we're going after the best ready to go type OL we can get. Both strategies have their pitfalls, but I think Ricker is a good enough OL coach to make this new strategy work out better than our previous one especially since these guys will be more ready to get thrown into the fire.
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#2030398 - 04/27/18 07:00 PM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: Kman_blue]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/12/03
i don't think Ricker can work wonders in 8 months. He has as many games left as Beaty does. If he can piecemeal together some semblance of an O Line in that time I will say name him head coach after "The Dude" gets S Canned after game 3.

The OL is a COMPLETE train wreck, and I wouldnt be surprised if 2-3 of jucos won a starting spot. even adenaji was not all that great last year and he was considered by many the best of the O Line. And don't give me this injury crap. The O Line last year was a complete laughing stock, even if they competed at the DII level

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#2030400 - 04/27/18 09:32 PM Re: WTF? Scholarship limits! [Re: beenahawk]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 07/03/09
Hiring Yenser was one of Beaty's worst decisions. You would think Beaty would have realized that and hired a better OL coach at the start. I guess that's what can happen when you hire a head coach with no head coaching or even coordinator experience.

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