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#2027565 - 02/07/18 02:30 PM Tom Keegan is TRASH
SPHawks Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 10/06/14
Loc: KS
I know this will lead to my account being deleted from KUsports.com, but as long as Tom Keegan is associated with the site, I don't have any interest in reading anything posted on it. I'm thankful for the hardworking writers like Benton Smith, Matt Tait and company, but that lardass has ruined reading stories on this website for me.

I know the product put on the field for KU football has been less than ideal. The excuses seem like they've continued on and on. But truth be told, I don't think there are many coaches who would have it "turned around" by now anyway. What really angers me about Keegan is how he belittles the student-athletes like Daniel Wise, who is not only a great player, but a great representative of the University of Kansas. Today, he interrupts and is a complete ass to Beaty and tried to make the situation Coach Beaty was in as difficult as he can, since it was a live interview. I honestly believe Coach Beaty is doing everything in his power to not only get a winning product on the field, but also getting good men in his program. Tom's dumbass belittles HCDB and the players, it is a horrible look for the University and adds a negative vibe that we don't need. Be critical, but do it in a productive manner.

You'll frown on me for calling him a lardass, but i'll treat Tom like he treats college athletes. Piece out Kusports, and adios fatass keegan.
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#2027567 - 02/07/18 02:45 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
I think Beaty created the latest firestorm(s) and Keegan has a job to do. Even the Kansan has called out Beaty/Zenger for the job performance so far. BTW, few posters are thrown off here. Doubt you will catch any flack from anyone associated.
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#2027568 - 02/07/18 03:01 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/12/03
Shoot, if KooKoo and Jman can't get booted, who can?

But, we liven it up a bit.

SP, you mean "peace out"? Your context may have a hint of pent up aggression that you may be harboring........

But it's cool with me

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#2027569 - 02/07/18 03:05 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
EstebanBugatti Online   content
Phog Fanatic

Registered: 12/07/15
Keegan is the only person in the media with the balls to call out Beaty and Zenger's BS. You are a [censored] for trying to bash the one person that actually cares enough about KU football to say what needs to be said. Stop buying the lies that Zenger and Beaty are trying to sell you!

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#2027573 - 02/07/18 03:27 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
track Offline
gale sayers

Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
I thought Beaty handled Keegan's questions very effectively. The difference in retention between the juco guys he has brought in versus the previous coach are night and day diffferent. Tom's insistence on 2021 being a major problem just shows how little he knows about how classes change over time depending on a multitude of factors....redshirts, injuries,etc.

From my perspective Keegan came off as a whiner...not some great defender of the program. If he wanted to challenge Beaty on performance to date and next year I would have supported that....but harping on jucos(as though they will create the same problems they did under weis) ..is missing the real point...jucos are not inherently bad...they serve a useful purpose in filling holes...they are only bad when they are BAD jucos like Weis brought in.


Edited by track (02/07/18 03:32 PM)

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#2027574 - 02/07/18 03:32 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: Jman1]
dgless21 Offline
Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: 23rd Street Brewery
I won't say that either is right or wrong, but it definitely got semi-confrontational at the end of the press conference between Beaty and Keegan. It wasn't a good look for either. Keegan seemed petty. Beaty seemed rattled.

Keegan asked basically the same question three times about the seniors in 2021. Beaty was composed although visibly frustrated by the second time, and on the third time, he more or less said the narrative was a lie and laid out all the facts while suggesting the real story should be reported.
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#2027575 - 02/07/18 03:34 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: track]
Magicman Offline
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Registered: 10/07/13
Originally Posted By: track
I thought Beaty handled Keegan's questions very effectively. The difference in retention between the juco guys he has brought in versus the previous coach are night and day diffferent. Tom's insistence on 2021 being a major problem just shows how little he knows about how classes change over time depending on a multitude of factors....redshirts, injuries,etc.

+1 The key words here are "just shows how little he knows"!

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#2027577 - 02/07/18 04:04 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: track]
EstebanBugatti Online   content
Phog Fanatic

Registered: 12/07/15
Originally Posted By: track
I thought Beaty handled Keegan's questions very effectively. The difference in retention between the juco guys he has brought in versus the previous coach are night and day diffferent. Tom's insistence on 2021 being a major problem just shows how little he knows about how classes change over time depending on a multitude of factors....redshirts, injuries,etc.

From my perspective Keegan came off as a whiner...not some great defender of the program. If he wanted to challenge Beaty on performance to date and next year I would have supported that....but harping on jucos(as though they will create the same problems they did under weis) ..is missing the real point...jucos are not inherently bad...they serve a useful purpose in filling holes...they are only bad when they are BAD jucos like Weis brought in.


You're a moron if you think there is any difference at all. Beaty knows his job is on the line and he's desperate. Too bad he only succeeded in f***ing the next Head Coach just like Weis did.

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#2027579 - 02/07/18 04:35 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: EstebanBugatti]
track Offline
gale sayers

Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
Originally Posted By: EstebanBugatti
Originally Posted By: track
I thought Beaty handled Keegan's questions very effectively. The difference in retention between the juco guys he has brought in versus the previous coach are night and day diffferent. Tom's insistence on 2021 being a major problem just shows how little he knows about how classes change over time depending on a multitude of factors....redshirts, injuries,etc.

From my perspective Keegan came off as a whiner...not some great defender of the program. If he wanted to challenge Beaty on performance to date and next year I would have supported that....but harping on jucos(as though they will create the same problems they did under weis) ..is missing the real point...jucos are not inherently bad...they serve a useful purpose in filling holes...they are only bad when they are BAD jucos like Weis brought in.


You're a moron if you think there is any difference at all. Beaty knows his job is on the line and he's desperate. Too bad he only succeeded in f***ing the next Head Coach just like Weis did.

Top 50 recruiting class....that's going to kill the next head coach....so moronic. You are the moron here.

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#2027580 - 02/07/18 04:44 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: track]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 07/03/09
There is a middle ground to what Beaty is saying and what Keegan is saying. Keegan does not want to understand Beatys answer because it takes away from his narrative about how JC players leave us short of seniors in 2021. Beaty does not want to have a full discussion about how he is planning to fix the seniors problem in 2021 because it makes him look like a hypocrite for taking so many JC players.

Beaty and Keegan should schedule a meeting so Beaty can explain how he plans to fix the problem. That would give Keegan a chance to ask follow up questions and write an accurate article about it. I do not think a press conference is the appropriate place for Keegan to get the level of details from Beaty that he needs to answer his question. That is why Keegan and Beaty ended up frustrated with each other by the end of the press conference.


Edited by pizzanbeer (02/07/18 05:08 PM)

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#2027584 - 02/07/18 05:39 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
pizzanbeer - your suggestion makes sense. I only heard bits & pieces of it so far so when I am home I will play it again. But good for the Keegs to ask tougher questions.

Beaty seems to be ducking it.
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#2027585 - 02/07/18 05:45 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: Magicman]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: Magicman
Originally Posted By: track
I thought Beaty handled Keegan's questions very effectively. The difference in retention between the juco guys he has brought in versus the previous coach are night and day diffferent. Tom's insistence on 2021 being a major problem just shows how little he knows about how classes change over time depending on a multitude of factors....redshirts, injuries,etc.

+1 The key words here are "just shows how little he knows"!
The changes to 2021 class of seniors isn’t the 10-15 difference that Keegan is asking about.
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#2027587 - 02/07/18 08:36 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
Kirk Offline
Phog Fanatic

Registered: 09/25/05
Loc: Austin
Keegan is doing his job.

Beaty can't say the same.

Does that help? Keegan is reporting facts (that nobody else is reporting), and creating arguments (not just opinionated columns) based on his interpretation of those facts.

Anyone is free to disagree with Keegan. He's not being dogmatic or vague. He's laying out his points very clearly. You can counter his facts (good luck to you) or disagree with his arguments. No harm, no foul. Free country, free press. Agree to disagree, whatever.

Remember, the KU football program is broken, by any standard you like. SUPER broken. Not everyone should be pumping sunshine or holding to the official story, especially not journalists.



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#2027589 - 02/07/18 10:08 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: track]
EstebanBugatti Online   content
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Registered: 12/07/15
Originally Posted By: track
Originally Posted By: EstebanBugatti
Originally Posted By: track
I thought Beaty handled Keegan's questions very effectively. The difference in retention between the juco guys he has brought in versus the previous coach are night and day diffferent. Tom's insistence on 2021 being a major problem just shows how little he knows about how classes change over time depending on a multitude of factors....redshirts, injuries,etc.

From my perspective Keegan came off as a whiner...not some great defender of the program. If he wanted to challenge Beaty on performance to date and next year I would have supported that....but harping on jucos(as though they will create the same problems they did under weis) ..is missing the real point...jucos are not inherently bad...they serve a useful purpose in filling holes...they are only bad when they are BAD jucos like Weis brought in.


You're a moron if you think there is any difference at all. Beaty knows his job is on the line and he's desperate. Too bad he only succeeded in f***ing the next Head Coach just like Weis did.

Top 50 recruiting class....that's going to kill the next head coach....so moronic. You are the moron here.

How many are JuCo recruits? So much for doing it the "right" way. You're a joke just like Beaty and Zenger.

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#2027597 - 02/08/18 08:29 AM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: Kirk]
dgless21 Offline
Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: 23rd Street Brewery
Originally Posted By: Kirk
Keegan is doing his job.

Beaty can't say the same.


To an extent, sure. Keegan was there to get material for his next article.

However, it didn't seem like it mattered what Beaty responded. Keegan had one answer in mind (if there was an acceptable answer), and when the response didn't fit with the narrative of his recent articles, he proceeded to ask the question in a different way again and again. It didn't seem like he cared about the answers as much as he cared about simply asking an antagonistic question.

To me, the biggest problem is that the story from the conference is discussing Keegan vs Beaty instead of the actual recruiting news that was delivered.
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#2027618 - 02/08/18 03:06 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
shawneehawk Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 11/26/03
Loc: Shawnee, KS
This recruiting class happened early on in the season, losing to Ohio and Central Michigan, then the embarrassing loss to TCU
on national TV.......last season had ended with optimism with the
Texas win and all of that was lost and went by the wayside......
most of the promising pledges bailed and Beaty virtually had no
choice than to turn to the JC route. He basically blew it and threw
away any of the upswing and momentum generated by the Texas
win even though it may have been a fluke.....

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#2027622 - 02/08/18 03:51 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: shawneehawk]
track Offline
gale sayers

Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
I think you might have it backwards...if Keegan is to be believed. According to keegan....Beaty decided to go the juco route in an attempt to get immediate help to save his job....not because he couldn't find any high school kids to recruit as you suggest.

Listened to the keegan/keitzman on 810 love fest this afternoon. Keegan actually said "there are not going to be any seniors in the 2020/2021 class". Keitzman loves to blast KU any chance he gets by asking loaded questions and Keegan loves to tell keitzman, "great question, kevin".


Edited by track (02/08/18 03:56 PM)

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#2027627 - 02/08/18 05:56 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Either way, Beaty JCs are adding up to disaster. No reputable P5 D1 is doing it “the right way”.
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#2027628 - 02/08/18 06:15 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: KUCO_VOC]
track Offline
gale sayers

Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Either way, Beaty JCs are adding up to disaster. No reputable P5 D1 is doing it “the right way”.

Are you stalking me like 58 used to stalk you?

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#2027629 - 02/08/18 06:30 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
dgless21 Offline
Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: 23rd Street Brewery
It's interesting that we saw articles like below for Weis, but he takes the low road with Beaty. He gave Weis credit for SERIOUS GAINS IN RECRUITING after 19 JUCO commits in the class of 2013, but he's shredding Beaty over 11 of them. Weird how that works, huh?

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2012/dec/17/look-kus-top-10-football-recruits/

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2013/jul/30/opinion-dont-sell-weis-short-choice-words/

"But to obsess on two numbers (1 ... 11) and three words (pile ... of ... crap) without giving a mention to serious gains already made in three important areas (academics, recruiting and strength and conditioning) doesn’t come close to telling the whole story. Four or more victories in 2013 and six or more in 2014 will speak more loudly than three stinky words."
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#2027633 - 02/08/18 09:03 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
vmlb Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 11/25/06
Great links dg. After reading those articles I am beginning to believe I was wrong. Kuco is not Mrs. Charlie Weis rather she is Mrs. Keegan.

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#2027638 - 02/09/18 09:51 AM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: track]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: track
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Either way, Beaty JCs are adding up to disaster. No reputable P5 D1 is doing it “the right way”.

Are you stalking me like 58 used to stalk you?
If you think 58 was / is a stalker, you are WAY off base. 58 uses humor in his posts banter with yours truly.
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#2027639 - 02/09/18 12:15 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
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Phog Fanatic

Registered: 06/20/09
Keegan is doing the Lord's work, and I can't thank him enough for his efforts.

God Bless you, Tom Keegan.

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#2027640 - 02/09/18 01:20 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
dgless21 Offline
Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: 23rd Street Brewery
Yes, the Lord's work. It must truly be difficult to write negative articles about KU football these days.
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#2027641 - 02/09/18 02:33 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
The Lord’s work and my posts work in mysterious ways! It’s hard tho...
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#2027642 - 02/09/18 02:45 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: dgless21]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: dgless21
It's interesting that we saw articles like below for Weis, but he takes the low road with Beaty. He gave Weis credit for SERIOUS GAINS IN RECRUITING after 19 JUCO commits in the class of 2013, but he's shredding Beaty over 11 of them. Weird how that works, huh?

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2012/dec/17/look-kus-top-10-football-recruits/

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2013/jul/30/opinion-dont-sell-weis-short-choice-words/

"But to obsess on two numbers (1 ... 11) and three words (pile ... of ... crap) without giving a mention to serious gains already made in three important areas (academics, recruiting and strength and conditioning) doesn’t come close to telling the whole story. Four or more victories in 2013 and six or more in 2014 will speak more loudly than three stinky words."
Ah yes, your hindsight IS 20-20 vision. Six years from now is harder to predict.
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#2027643 - 02/09/18 02:56 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: dgless21]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: dgless21
Yes, the Lord's work. It must truly be difficult to write negative articles about KU football these days.
You should read Keegan's QB Kendrick article. What a Keegan downer!! You will miss reading it, because it’s not negative enough so it doesn’t fit your preconceived poor opinion of the writer.
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#2027687 - 02/10/18 08:34 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
I believe the problem is Beaty not Keegan so we may have a communication problem. DB is the loser Keegs isn’t
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#2027689 - 02/10/18 09:55 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
#1-2 posters may be the trash here. IMHO
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#2027700 - 02/11/18 02:18 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
shawneehawk Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 11/26/03
Loc: Shawnee, KS
If this is one of the best recruiting classes in KU football history as Beaty claims and alludes to.....I guess we should expect to be back
in the Orange Bowl (or equivalent) in the next year or two. Based
on comparing it to a couple of Mangino's classes and the results
he got.

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#2027705 - 02/11/18 06:00 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: shawneehawk]
dgless21 Offline
Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: 23rd Street Brewery
Originally Posted By: shawneehawk
If this is one of the best recruiting classes in KU football history as Beaty claims and alludes to.....

Literally no one, sober or drunk, has claimed that, ever.

Even the biggest homer will tell you Pooka and Corione are top level recruits, but the JUCOs have a lot to prove.

Literally have NEVER heard this is one of the best recruiting classes until your post.
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#2027729 - 02/12/18 06:16 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: dgless21]
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Baby Jay

Registered: 04/14/04
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Originally Posted By: dgless21
Literally have NEVER heard this is one of the best recruiting classes until your post.


I think it may be the highest rating we've had in the history of our university here,” Beaty said of KU’s 2018 signing class, “since they've been keeping rankings. If it's not, it's close.”

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/feb/0...ar-hi/?football

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#2027730 - 02/12/18 06:29 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
dgless21 Offline
Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: 23rd Street Brewery
I guess I don't see where he suggests "best."

He really went out on a limb by saying he thinks it may be close to the highest ranked classes KU has ever had after suggesting he doesn't follow recruiting rankings.

If he wanted to say this is the best class we've ever had, why wouldn't he just say exactly that? I know this is weird, but some people are direct and actually say what they mean rather than forcing message boarders to read between the lines and quote mangle.

But I'm sure many of you will keep reaching for new things to insinuate and then complain about. Soooo....carry on.
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#2027733 - 02/13/18 07:38 AM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: SPHawks]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Since Beaty believes he invented this style of Kansas football (LOL), he meant this is HIS best class ever. Who cares about winning. Just keep recruiting, no problem about ever winning meaningful games. Or ever winning any games on field.
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#2027739 - 02/13/18 11:11 AM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: KUCO_VOC]
beenahawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Topeka, Kansas
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Since Beaty believes he invented this style of Kansas football (LOL), he meant this is HIS best class ever. Who cares about winning. Just keep recruiting, no problem about ever winning meaningful games. Or ever winning any games on field.


Recruiting "ratings" don't mean a thing. Geesh, look at almost every class Bill Snyder has ever recruited! Just looking at the ratings, KSU should have only 6 or 7 wins the last few years based upon their rank and ours.

As far as best recruiting classes in our history? I'd give the nod to Fam's first two classes in the early 70's...then Fam again in 80.....then Mason in 89 & 90.. Those five classes are worlds better than anything else we ever had.

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#2027750 - 02/13/18 04:14 PM Re: Tom Keegan is TRASH [Re: dgless21]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: dgless21
Originally Posted By: shawneehawk
If this is one of the best recruiting classes in KU football history as Beaty claims and alludes to.....

Literally no one, sober or drunk, has claimed that, ever.

Even the biggest homer will tell you Pooka and Corione are top level recruits, but the JUCOs have a lot to prove.

Literally have NEVER heard this is one of the best recruiting classes until your post.
He was probably high when he said it.
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