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#2026180 - 01/12/18 08:20 AM Wins for 2018
jayhawkfan0710 Offline
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How many wins gets Beaty to 2019? Does he need to win 3, 4, 5? Does Beaty even make it to conference play next season?

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#2026183 - 01/12/18 09:34 AM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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Bare minimum would be 4 as I see it. I also don't think there is a snowballs chance in hell he wins more than 2.

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#2026188 - 01/12/18 10:05 AM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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I'm pretty sure we'll know where he stands by game four.

That gives us the non-conference and Baylor to prove that we're better than this year.

I also have a tough time suggesting we'll win more than 2 or 3 with two of our potentially winnable games on the road.
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#2026194 - 01/12/18 10:54 AM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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2018 won't be so much about 2,3,4 wins as it will be a chance to grade out the sense of which way Kansas program is going after three full years and part of the fourth. Doing worse than ever (0-4), or staying as stagnant as 2017 (1-3), will be the end of the current management group strategy IMHO, which is what the topic asks for. Even 2-2 early may not save the "duder"!
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#2026206 - 01/12/18 02:39 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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The problem with KU football isn't the head coach, it's the turnover of coaches. So I don't see any reason to evaluate Beaty next season. 0 wins, 4 wins, 8 wins....it's all the same.

Moving in the right direction means keeping the coach no matter what.

But go ahead, keep making these random, pointless threads.

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#2026210 - 01/12/18 02:58 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
2018 won't be so much about 2,3,4 wins as it will be a chance to grade out the sense of which way Kansas program is going after three full years and part of the fourth. Doing worse than ever (0-4), or staying as stagnant as 2017 (1-3), will be the end of the current management group strategy IMHO, which is what the topic asks for. Even 2-2 early may not save the "duder"!

Odd as it may be...I agree....That's about my take too. Some sort of on the field progress must be shown and shown early, middle and late


Edited by track (01/12/18 02:59 PM)

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#2026211 - 01/12/18 02:59 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
2018 won't be so much about 2,3,4 wins as it will be a chance to grade out the sense of which way Kansas program is going after three full years and part of the fourth. Doing worse than ever (0-4), or staying as stagnant as 2017 (1-3), will be the end of the current management group strategy IMHO, which is what the topic asks for. Even 2-2 early may not save the "duder"!


This is the most logical thing you have ever said on any thread or forum. Well done.
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#2026212 - 01/12/18 03:31 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: Kirk]
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Originally Posted By: Kirk
The problem with KU football isn't the head coach, it's the turnover of coaches. So I don't see any reason to evaluate Beaty next season. 0 wins, 4 wins, 8 wins....it's all the same.

Moving in the right direction means keeping the coach no matter what.

But go ahead, keep making these random, pointless threads.
It's not random or pointless to see if the HC can be a leader. # of wins are not the measure we should be concerned about however. If he can't be ahead of the game on certain things (kids not shaking hands pre game, for example) the wealthy donors should press for a change. And 2018 is likely to prove it out, one way or other for Beaty.
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#2026213 - 01/12/18 03:52 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Not everyone agrees about the coin toss incident. Some see it as a typical, even an archetypal, misstep of youth. ("Who among us didn't make a mistake when they were young?") Or it's a sign of just being really super competitive. Looking to gain an edge.

Of course, others scratch their heads and wonder why they've never seen a college team, let alone one of the worst teams in the country, on ESPN no less, decline a pre-game handshake, and a head coach who doesn't seem to have an opinion on the matter.

Your phrase, "ahead of the game" suggests areas of evaluation besides wins and losses. I would love for more people to discuss this, and to define what those areas should be. So far it's been a subjective thing, like the coin toss incident (or non-incident, depending on your point of view.)

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#2026214 - 01/12/18 04:18 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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#2026215 - 01/12/18 04:44 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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#2026216 - 01/12/18 05:09 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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ZERO is good enough if Zenger is still the AD.
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#2026217 - 01/12/18 05:22 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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Kirk - the fact that the captains in total ignored Beaty input on handshake or didn’t even think to ask him his opinion speaks volumes. Another latest issue is a post season presser using a release vs a live Q & A speaks of a HC circling his wagons for one last shootout at the OK corral. My opinion has some backup without discussing his # of wins or his team’s preparation. I could mention his erratic play calling putting his team behind after 8 seconds.
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#2026232 - 01/13/18 10:54 AM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: Kirk]
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Originally Posted By: Kirk
Not everyone agrees about the coin toss incident. Some see it as a typical, even an archetypal, misstep of youth. ("Who among us didn't make a mistake when they were young?") Or it's a sign of just being really super competitive. Looking to gain an edge.

Of course, others scratch their heads and wonder why they've never seen a college team, let alone one of the worst teams in the country, on ESPN no less, decline a pre-game handshake, and a head coach who doesn't seem to have an opinion on the matter.

Your phrase, "ahead of the game" suggests areas of evaluation besides wins and losses. I would love for more people to discuss this, and to define what those areas should be. So far it's been a subjective thing, like the coin toss incident (or non-incident, depending on your point of view.)


There's a reason no one else is making this an issue. It was a bad look, sure, but its impact is being greatly exaggerated. Firing the head coach for it is a sad, comical suggestion. It's a dumb response due to an absurd bias.

If you want to fire Beaty because of his record, fine, but let's not try to act like the handshake is the catalyst. He was a questionable hire by a terrible AD. We don't need to continue to bloviate about non-issues just to say he's not good. If he had a good record, this would be swept under the rug just like the basketball team's misgivings and many of Mangino's misgivings.

I'm sure Chiefs fans that want Reid fired could use Kelce or Peters' unsportsmanlike antics to say he doesn't have control and be fired. Personally, I'd say fire Vance Joseph because Talib ripped off Crabtree's chain--if he was a good coach, that wouldn't have happened.
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#2026249 - 01/13/18 11:52 AM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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I gave three examples of why he isn't a good or even average leader but yet some poster believes I only bring up one example of why he s/b let go. Three examples aren't the only ones showing his unqualified background (he wasn't even that good of a HS coach in Texas). Duder must go before he ruins what little is left of Kansas football. Another poster says don't bring up his record while asking for objective reasons. That's the biggest reason of them all.

Other folks pay for a plane to circle the stadium saying negative things. To each his own.

I'm too absurdly biased...can you cue the violin music in the background?
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#2026300 - 01/14/18 04:30 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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Beaty will get one win, Nicholls State. I predict he will be fired after a Baylor loss.

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#2026327 - 01/15/18 01:17 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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Registered: 07/27/10
Loc: KS
I have no idea how many games KU will win or how many are needed for DB to come back in 2019. But just for the fun of it, say the Jayhawks win 5 games. That does not qualify for a bowl appearance, does not make for a winner, and does not instill tremendous hope for being a big winner the near future (like what ISU did this past season). It would show progress and definitely some potential. HOWEVER, I think it would make for a very difficult decision and or situation, especially for fans that want to see more than just a competitive program that wins just enough to go bowling some of the time (meaning perhaps 4 to 7 wins @season).

If KU wins 1 or 2 games in 20018, the answer would be rather clear cut. But if KU wins 4 or 5 games, what do fans want to see the puppet masters do for 2019? Keep in mind, numerous fans especially here on the board have said there is no confidence in HCDB and he will not be a consistent or big winner. What do ya do if the Hawks win 5?


Edited by prairiehawk (01/15/18 01:29 PM)

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#2026328 - 01/15/18 01:19 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: prairiehawk]
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beaty wins five he'd be in running for coy.
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#2026330 - 01/15/18 01:37 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: tmcats]
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Maybe, but I still wonder if the Jayhawk Nation would be satisfied or confident in HCBD then? After all, this will be season number 4, and there should be more upper classmen and almost totally DB's players. It just presents an interesting circumstance.

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#2026333 - 01/15/18 02:08 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: prairiehawk]
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Originally Posted By: prairiehawk
Maybe, but I still wonder if the Jayhawk Nation would be satisfied or confident in HCBD then? After all, this will be season number 4, and there should be more upper classmen and almost totally DB's players. It just presents an interesting circumstance.

I would be thrilled with five wins. That said, it would be a monumental turn around no reasonable person could conceive based on our 2017 performance. I do not believe we have the talent at QB or along the offensive line to win 5 games and that doesn’t even take in to account the coaching to date of this regime.

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#2026336 - 01/15/18 02:40 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: track]
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Originally Posted By: track
Originally Posted By: prairiehawk
Maybe, but I still wonder if the Jayhawk Nation would be satisfied or confident in HCBD then? After all, this will be season number 4, and there should be more upper classmen and almost totally DB's players. It just presents an interesting circumstance.

I would be thrilled with five wins. That said, it would be a monumental turn around no reasonable person could conceive based on our 2017 performance. I do not believe we have the talent at QB or along the offensive line to win 5 games and that doesn’t even take in to account the coaching to date of this regime.
5 wins in year four for Beaty would no doubt satisfy the fanbase (including this poster). That said, track has made my post pointless simply regurgitating what he said.
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#2026347 - 01/15/18 06:04 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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First of all, I am really stoked about Miles Kendrick. This kid can run, and man can this guy spin the ball. I think he is the best looking QB since Reesing. Go watch his film - all the kid has done is win, at what ever level.

That said, here is my percentage probability of win/loss assuming MK is everything I think he can be:

NICHOLAS STATE - 90% chance of win.
AT CENTRAL MICHIGAN 85% win
RUTGERS - 65% win
BAYLOR - 55% win
OKLAHOMA STATE - 50%
WEST VIRGINIA - 35% win
TEXAS TECH - 70% win
TCU - 25% win
IOWA STATE - 40% win
KANSAS STATE - 40% win
OKLAHOMA - 25% win
TEXAS - 20% win

So I see a good chance of 5 wins, with 2-3 in the bag and clear progress.

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#2026348 - 01/15/18 06:43 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: tmcats]
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Originally Posted By: tmcats
beaty wins five he'd be in running for coy.
Why do you italicize your comments?
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#2026350 - 01/15/18 07:46 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: 58hawk]
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I think you are crazy out of your mind with those percentages...but I like them. One thing for sure...we are long overdo for a break.


Edited by track (01/15/18 07:47 PM)

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#2026352 - 01/15/18 08:36 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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Yard Bob is basing the QB playing Reesing -like off six Juco starts total.

Reesing was TX 4A player of the year as a junior in HS. The Juco is not Reesing. Zero other offers.
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#2026358 - 01/15/18 09:10 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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KUCO, did you actually watch the kids Hudl? Total stud. Reminds me of a kid OB at K-State would go after. But he missed this one. Same height as Reesing, but faster. Throws as well too. Just the QB at the right time.

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#2026368 - 01/15/18 10:44 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: Yardbirdbob]
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Originally Posted By: Yardbirdbob
First of all, I am really stoked about Miles Kendrick. This kid can run, and man can this guy spin the ball. I think he is the best looking QB since Reesing. Go watch his film - all the kid has done is win, at what ever level.

That said, here is my percentage probability of win/loss assuming MK is everything I think he can be:

NICHOLAS STATE - 10% chance of win.
AT CENTRAL MICHIGAN 0.5% win
RUTGERS - 1.5% win
BAYLOR - 5% win
OKLAHOMA STATE - 0%
WEST VIRGINIA - 3% win
TEXAS TECH - 7% win
TCU - 2% win
IOWA STATE - 4% win
KANSAS STATE - 4% win
OKLAHOMA - 00% win
TEXAS - 3.1415926% win

So I see a good chance of 0 wins, with NONE in the bag and clear progress right into the proverbial shithouse



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#2026378 - 01/16/18 08:49 AM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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Not that your post has any value to it, but it's interesting that you give us a better chance to win @TTU, @WVU, @KSU, and @Baylor than at home versus Rutgers. You also give us a better chance of beating TCU, Texas, and Iowa State than Rutgers.
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#2026384 - 01/16/18 10:24 AM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: dgless21]
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Originally Posted By: dgless21
Not that your post has any value to it, but it's interesting that you give us a better chance to win @TTU, @WVU, @KSU, and @Baylor than at home versus Rutgers. You also give us a better chance of beating TCU, Texas, and Iowa State than Rutgers.


OOC FBS teams(or heck, even most FCS teams) we have little to no chance of winning, home or away, with the current regime. History has proven that., LAst FBS P5 team we played was Rutgers(Loss, BTW). Last one before that was Duke(Blowout Loss BTW). So yes, I think those numbers are accurate.

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#2026423 - 01/16/18 04:01 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: dgless21]
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Originally Posted By: dgless21
Not that your post has any value to it, but it's interesting that you give us a better chance to win @TTU, @WVU, @KSU, and @Baylor than at home versus Rutgers. You also give us a better chance of beating TCU, Texas, and Iowa State than Rutgers.
dgless- posts have value. Condescending twit.

After a lot of early chaos the % may be better in conference play. I recall it happening for the Beaty Beatings era.
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#2026426 - 01/16/18 04:39 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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The BIGGEST win for KU Football in 2018 would be firing Zenger and the Grid staff. Just that single victory, would lead to many more in the future. grin

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#2026430 - 01/16/18 05:20 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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Seems likely it will happen by the level of recruits being pursued in 2018 by Beaty.
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#2026432 - 01/16/18 06:06 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: beenahawk]
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Originally Posted By: beenahawk
The BIGGEST win for KU Football in 2018 would be firing Zenger and the Grid staff. Just that single victory, would lead to many more in the future. grin


The contracts of Beaty, Bowen, Meacham, and Zenger make it an interesting financial situation. Considering many of our major donors are in on the stadium, who drops the 6ish million to fire/buyout those guys?

Obviously Zenger won't find money in the budget or raise money to fire him and his boys.
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#2026435 - 01/16/18 06:44 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: beenahawk]
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Originally Posted By: beenahawk
The BIGGEST win for KU Football in 2018 would be firing Zenger and the Grid staff. Just that single victory, would lead to many more in the future. grin
Not going to happen so quit dreaming...
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#2026439 - 01/16/18 06:51 PM Re: Wins for 2018 [Re: jayhawkfan0710]
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duder,
$1.3 Mil will get me goner and be like a #neatdeal if you ask me. I really don't give a shiite about KU FB

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