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#2025561 - 12/27/17 05:25 PM Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach?
pizzanbeer Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 07/03/09
College coaches can hire an additional assistant coach now. Would you make an internal hire and reward someone? Or would you make an external hire for either a great recruiter or someone with experience to help with game plans? Since Beaty is running at code red right now I expect him to make an external hire for recruiting maybe for OL. Yenser gets an assistant that is great at recruiting.

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#2025566 - 12/27/17 10:51 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 05/11/10
Loc: Oklahoma
I'll go with the recruiter!
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#2025567 - 12/27/17 11:51 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
jhawkblue Offline
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Registered: 10/28/13
Does it really matter? This is a lame duck coaching staff everyone knows they will all be gone after next year except for the few die hard Beaty believers that still somehow think he can coach at a D1 level

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#2025568 - 12/28/17 12:35 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: jhawkblue]
pizzanbeer Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 07/03/09
Originally Posted By: jhawkblue
Does it really matter? This is a lame duck coaching staff everyone knows they will all be gone after next year except for the few die hard Beaty believers that still somehow think he can coach at a D1 level


So you would hire no one because chances are good Beaty is out next season. That saves money for the buy outs so I guess that is an option too.

The other area I considered was another DB coach because our defensive secondary was so bad last season. When I thought about it then it seemed like Yenser needed more help because we already have Perry and Bowen to coach DBs.

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#2025570 - 12/28/17 08:12 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
kylecof11 Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
Kevin Sumlin.
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#2025573 - 12/28/17 09:03 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: jhawkblue]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: jhawkblue
Does it really matter? This is a lame duck coaching staff everyone knows they will all be gone after next year except for the few die hard Beaty believers that still somehow think he can coach at a D1 level
Come on now, that's just stoopid since that's not gonna happen (them not hiring anyone for the 10th spot).

So, what's your opinion about what kind of coach they should hire, or do you not have one?

I think they ought to get a guy who has a history of solid recruiting and has experience coaching OL and/or OC experience (probably at a lower division) cause I thought the OL was the worst coached position group this past season.
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#2025574 - 12/28/17 09:07 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: pizzanbeer
The other area I considered was another DB coach because our defensive secondary was so bad last season. When I thought about it then it seemed like Yenser needed more help because we already have Perry and Bowen to coach DBs.
We had just about zero experience and 1 starter returning in the DB group this year. Lost a couple guys to injury before the season began too. They started out atrocious, but improved throughout the season. Don't think they were poorly coached during the season so don't think they need to use the 10th coach on that group.
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#2025579 - 12/28/17 10:27 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: kylecof11]
58hawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
Originally Posted By: kylecof11
Kevin Sumlin.
Loser.
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#2025580 - 12/28/17 10:45 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: Kman_blue]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/01/02
Loc: Topeka, Kansas
Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Originally Posted By: pizzanbeer
The other area I considered was another DB coach because our defensive secondary was so bad last season. When I thought about it then it seemed like Yenser needed more help because we already have Perry and Bowen to coach DBs.
We had just about zero experience and 1 starter returning in the DB group this year. Lost a couple guys to injury before the season began too. They started out atrocious, but improved throughout the season. Don't think they were poorly coached during the season so don't think they need to use the 10th coach on that group.


My biggest concern about Bowen's coaching is he learned under a HORRIBLE pass defense man in Bob Fello. Seems the philosophy is "don't get beat deep....just get beat, then make a tackle." For decades KU gets beat underneath more than any team in the country. I realize we don't have Charles Gordon or Aquib Talib as cover corners, but it might be nice to disrupt a route from the line of scrimmage from time to time.

That said, I agree with you about needing help coaching the O-line....might not hurt for the kids to take some geometry or physics classes and learn a tad bit more about leverage and balance.

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#2025581 - 12/28/17 10:49 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: Kman_blue]
jhawkblue Offline
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Registered: 10/28/13
Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Originally Posted By: jhawkblue
Does it really matter? This is a lame duck coaching staff everyone knows they will all be gone after next year except for the few die hard Beaty believers that still somehow think he can coach at a D1 level
Come on now, that's just stoopid since that's not gonna happen (them not hiring anyone for the 10th spot).

So, what's your opinion about what kind of coach they should hire, or do you not have one?

I think they ought to get a guy who has a history of solid recruiting and has experience coaching OL and/or OC experience (probably at a lower division) cause I thought the OL was the worst coached position group this past season.


you really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. At no point did I say they shouldn't hire a tenth coach I simply said it won't matter who they hire as Beaty will still be the HC and Bowen will still be the DC so we will still go go 1-11 or 2-10 at best and the whole staff will be gone including the new guy.

and as far as who they need to hire for that 1 year, I agree that someone with strong OL and recruiting skills would be good to possibly help improve the roster for the next staff but someone with a background in structural engineering and fire fighting would be better to help fix all the bridges that Beaty seems to have burned in the Tex recruiting areas

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#2025612 - 12/29/17 08:48 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: jhawkblue]
Maximus Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/30/12
Loc: Trance Land
Originally Posted By: jhawkblue
Does it really matter? This is a lame duck coaching staff everyone knows they will all be gone after next year except for the few die hard Beaty believers that still somehow think he can coach at a D1 level


If your the Head coach, you hire the next available candidate who needs a job.

If your the KU AD, you hire the next Head coach who takes over after KU suffers three loss.
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#2025620 - 12/29/17 11:06 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: 58hawk]
kylecof11 Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Originally Posted By: kylecof11
Kevin Sumlin.
Loser.


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#2025622 - 12/29/17 12:08 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
dgless21 Offline
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Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: 23rd Street Brewery
Ha. I'd take Kevin Sumlin in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately, we've got so many areas that we struggled in last year that we could hire any quality coach and it would likely improve on who we have.
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#2025628 - 12/29/17 02:26 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
kylecof11 Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
Do what Gundy did to find his OC. Go to lower level football, find a guy who is tearing it up. And then give him way more money than what the D2 school is paying him.

Or go get a local JUCO or D2 guy. Help recruit in-state guys and have success at their previous stops. Like Beck at Pitt State.
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#2025682 - 01/01/18 10:28 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 12/29/06
Loc: Wichita
I would like to see them hire a former head coach that is on his way down, but still wants to coach.

This is not a dig on Beaty. There is no secret I want Beaty gone. However I think he could benefit from someone on staff that has head coaching experience.

I listened to an interview with Ron Riviera, and he said it was very valuable to have a coach with head coaching experience the first couple of years he was a head coach. I think it would benefit Beaty to have that to lean on.

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#2025685 - 01/01/18 10:48 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: moose1]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: moose1
I would like to see them hire a former head coach that is on his way down, but still wants to coach.

This is not a dig on Beaty. There is no secret I want Beaty gone. However I think he could benefit from someone on staff that has head coaching experience.

I listened to an interview with Ron Riviera, and he said it was very valuable to have a coach with head coaching experience the first couple of years he was a head coach. I think it would benefit Beaty to have that to lean on.
Unfortunately, Beaty has shown his arrogance and stubbornness to the public, so much so that his ego won't allow an experienced "teacher" at this point. He's run his course as a P5 D1 HC anywhere but in football hell (Kansas).

His actions immediately following showing up Heisman QB Mayfield has put his "talents" on display.
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#2026877 - 01/26/18 12:09 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: KUCO_VOC]
Magicman Offline
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Registered: 10/07/13
Beaty has filled his final coaching spot with Bill Miller. Great decision! Bill is an outstanding defensive coach and has coached linebackers and defensive backs. He has also been DC for some big time programs. Great hire!

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#2026880 - 01/26/18 01:24 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: Magicman]
track Offline
gale sayers

Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
Originally Posted By: Magicman
Beaty has filled his final coaching spot with Bill Miller. Great decision! Bill is an outstanding defensive coach and has coached linebackers and defensive backs. He has also been DC for some big time programs. Great hire!

35+ years as a defensive coach in the college ranks. Defensive coach at Kansas in 2009. Should give Bowen some needed help.

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#2026886 - 01/26/18 01:51 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: track]
Jman1 Offline
Pure Jayhawk

Registered: 12/12/03
Originally Posted By: track
Originally Posted By: Magicman
Beaty has filled his final coaching spot with Bill Miller. Great decision! Bill is an outstanding defensive coach and has coached linebackers and defensive backs. He has also been DC for some big time programs. Great hire!

35+ years as a defensive coach in the college ranks. Defensive coach at Kansas in 2009. Should give Bowen some needed help.


And God knows Bowen and Beaty can use all the help they can get. Not being spiteful, just truthful

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#2026887 - 01/26/18 01:53 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: Maximus]
Jman1 Offline
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Registered: 12/12/03
Originally Posted By: Maximus
Originally Posted By: jhawkblue
Does it really matter? This is a lame duck coaching staff everyone knows they will all be gone after next year except for the few die hard Beaty believers that still somehow think he can coach at a D1 level


If your the Head coach, you hire the next available candidate who needs a job.

If your the KU AD, you hire the next Head coach who takes over after KU suffers three loss.



Maxi, I don;t think I would hire her for the football staff unless the size of one's knockers determines how many games are won.

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#2026893 - 01/26/18 02:07 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: Jman1]
track Offline
gale sayers

Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
Originally Posted By: Jman1
Originally Posted By: track
Originally Posted By: Magicman
Beaty has filled his final coaching spot with Bill Miller. Great decision! Bill is an outstanding defensive coach and has coached linebackers and defensive backs. He has also been DC for some big time programs. Great hire!

35+ years as a defensive coach in the college ranks. Defensive coach at Kansas in 2009. Should give Bowen some needed help.


And God knows Bowen and Beaty can use all the help they can get. Not being spiteful, just truthful

Now if Meacham could get some help too in the form of better line play and QB play!


Edited by track (01/26/18 02:09 PM)

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#2026894 - 01/26/18 02:56 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: track]
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Registered: 10/07/12
Very solid hire. Will improved defense immediately.

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#2026896 - 01/26/18 04:59 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
Josh2408 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/15
Loc: Indiana
Bill Miller has joined the staff as a defensive assistant, this is Miller's 2nd stint at KU he was the LB's Coach and CO- DC under Mangino in 2009
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#2026897 - 01/26/18 06:57 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
58hawk Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
So I guess we're not hiring a special teams coach? Or will Beaty just take on that role?
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#2026899 - 01/26/18 07:21 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
Josh2408 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/15
Loc: Indiana
I just wanted to hear Introducing Clint Bowen New HC at Such and Such school
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#2026902 - 01/26/18 08:03 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: Josh2408]
pizzanbeer Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 07/03/09
This looks like a good hire. He coached LBs in the past and we already have a LB coach.


Edited by pizzanbeer (01/26/18 08:50 PM)

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#2026906 - 01/27/18 08:18 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: 58hawk]
Kman_blue Offline
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Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
So I guess we're not hiring a special teams coach? Or will Beaty just take on that role?
That spot is still officially open. Looks like they're most likely going to shift someone already on staff to ST's from what I just heard now.
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#2026963 - 01/29/18 02:50 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 07/03/09
From KU Athletics, "With Miller coaching the linebackers, Beaty also announced that assistant coach Todd Bradford will now mentor the Jayhawk safeties, while assistant head coach/defensive coordinator Clint Bowen will now work with the cornerbacks. Kenny Perry will move into the special teams coordinator position and will also remain serving as KU's recruiting coordinator."

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#2026974 - 01/29/18 06:05 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: 23rd Street Brewery
Interesting. Our special teams were terrible, and we had a guy that could (supposedly?) improve it on the staff...or is this a step backwards?
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#2026997 - 01/29/18 11:20 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: track]
vmlb Offline
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Registered: 11/25/06
Originally Posted By: track
Originally Posted By: Jman1
Originally Posted By: track
Originally Posted By: Magicman
Beaty has filled his final coaching spot with Bill Miller. Great decision! Bill is an outstanding defensive coach and has coached linebackers and defensive backs. He has also been DC for some big time programs. Great hire!

35+ years as a defensive coach in the college ranks. Defensive coach at Kansas in 2009. Should give Bowen some needed help.


And God knows Bowen and Beaty can use all the help they can get. Not being spiteful, just truthful

Now if Meacham could get some help too in the form of better line play and QB play!

Understood
Offense sucks: player's fault
Defense sucks: coach's fault

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#2027004 - 01/30/18 06:33 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: pizzanbeer]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Offense has been Beaty's forte, defense has been Bowen's "strength". Now you understand.


OC has been understated (not so much at fault) so far by hiring a new one in Meacham.
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#2027009 - 01/30/18 08:47 AM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: vmlb]
dgless21 Offline
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Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: 23rd Street Brewery
Originally Posted By: vmlb
Understood
Offense sucks: player's fault
Defense sucks: coach's fault


I think it is a bit of both on both offense and defense.

It's just easier to give Meacham more time and less criticism because he's had success elsewhere.

Bowen hasn't been successful here or anywhere else. That's especially scary since we have a Co-DC in Perry and Bradford was a P5 DC at one point...and we just hired Miller who was a DC at multiple places. It would seem to point to Bowen needing help.

It was also fairly easy to see defense had a lot more to work with last year with Dineen, Armstrong, Wise, etc. and it seemed to be completely wasted.
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#2027036 - 01/30/18 02:47 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: dgless21]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 07/03/09
Beaty has an odd mix of assistant coaches. On offense Meacham has experience but the rest of the assistant coaches are all younger coaches without much experience. On defense all of the assistants are older coaches with a lot of experience. Does coaching experience only matter for defense and not for offense?


Edited by pizzanbeer (01/30/18 03:45 PM)

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#2027053 - 01/30/18 07:09 PM Re: Who Do You Hire For New Assistant Coach? [Re: dgless21]
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Registered: 11/25/06
Originally Posted By: dgless21
Originally Posted By: vmlb
Understood
Offense sucks: player's fault
Defense sucks: coach's fault


I think it is a bit of both on both offense and defense.

It's just easier to give Meacham more time and less criticism because he's had success elsewhere.

Bowen hasn't been successful here or anywhere else. That's especially scary since we have a Co-DC in Perry and Bradford was a P5 DC at one point...and we just hired Miller who was a DC at multiple places. It would seem to point to Bowen needing help.

It was also fairly easy to see defense had a lot more to work with last year with Dineen, Armstrong, Wise, etc. and it seemed to be completely wasted.


I understand. The offense finished at 120 out of 130 teams. Had it not been for Meachum we would have finished lower.
The defense finished 118. With all the talent on the defensive, had Meachum coached that side of the ball we would have finished in the top 50. Especially with all that talent we put on the field on that side of the ball.

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