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#2021327 - 10/04/17 04:05 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: Jman1]
KUCO_VOC Offline
KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: Jman1
You mean that Minnie Mouse defense that is usually run at the pop warner school level? That Defense? Or, lack thereof
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#2021335 - 10/04/17 05:29 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: Kman_blue]
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US Marshal, Kansas Territory

Registered: 12/12/03
Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Coach O was seen as a home run hire by a lot of LSU insiders so it seemed smart to lock him in at the time.


I don't know how they could have ever seen him as a "home run hire". For God's sake he went 3-8, 4-8 and 3-9 in his glory days at Ole Miss, including an O-fer in the SEC in his final year of hitting home runs and grand slams

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#2021336 - 10/04/17 05:30 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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US Marshal, Kansas Territory

Registered: 12/12/03
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: Jman1
You mean that Minnie Mouse defense that is usually run at the pop warner school level? That Defense? Or, lack thereof
FYP


Thank you. I stand corrected

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#2021337 - 10/04/17 05:52 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 07/03/09
Originally Posted By: pizzanbeer
Official attendance numbers are declining SEMO 32k, CMU 28k, WV 24k. After watching Bowens defense I do not see another win on the schedule. I expect attendance numbers will continue to decline except when the KSUck fans invade Lawrence for their epic beat down of KU. How many points and yards will Bowens defense have to give up to get him fired? KU football is unwatchable because of his pathetic defense.

I agree that we cannot get the DB coach from LSU. Orgerons buyout is too big so he will be there next year. That LSU AD was stupid to agree to such a large buyout for Orgeron.


Hey I have an admirer on the Phog site. Dion Chalupa cut and pasted my post to start a new thread, "Bowen's Last Stand" and pretended like he wrote it.

https://scout.com/college/kansas/Board/103723/Contents/Bowens-Last-Stand-108399936

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#2021357 - 10/04/17 11:38 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: Jman1]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: Jman1
Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Coach O was seen as a home run hire by a lot of LSU insiders so it seemed smart to lock him in at the time.


I don't know how they could have ever seen him as a "home run hire". For God's sake he went 3-8, 4-8 and 3-9 in his glory days at Ole Miss, including an O-fer in the SEC in his final year of hitting home runs and grand slams
From the outside looking in (our perspective) it didn't look like a home run hire, but to a lot of the insiders at LSU it did for several reasons. His long standing ties to LSU and the area in general, his reputation as a great recruiter, his good and extensive experience, the players on the team by and large loved him in contrast to Miles, and the apparent success he had when he took over on the interim level last year. Not saying every LSU fan or booster thought that way, but quite a few did.
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#2021358 - 10/05/17 12:01 AM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: pizzanbeer
Hey I have an admirer on the Phog site. Dion Chalupa cut and pasted my post to start a new thread, "Bowen's Last Stand" and pretended like he wrote it.

https://scout.com/college/kansas/Board/103723/Contents/Bowens-Last-Stand-108399936
I guess you got an account over there or someone told you about that?

Makes you wonder if it's happened to you before but you didn't catch it or if it's happened to any of the rest of us. Weird deal.


Edited by Kman_blue (10/05/17 12:07 AM)
Edit Reason: Pizzanbeer's quote got left out for some reason
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#2021362 - 10/05/17 08:20 AM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: pizzanbeer]
dgless21 Offline
Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Lawrence Beer Co.
Borrowing this from Phog:

It is pretty sad looking at Bowen's tenure as DC.

from http://www.cfbstats.com.

YEAR RANK YPP
2008 90 5.56

2009 76 5.5

2013 97 5.82

2014 109 6.29

2015 128 6.96

2016 109 6.04

2017 118 6.54
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#2021364 - 10/05/17 10:46 AM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: dgless21]
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gale sayers

Registered: 01/18/06
Loc: Topeka,Kansas
Curious.... are the offensive stats any better?

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#2021365 - 10/05/17 11:42 AM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Lawrence Beer Co.
We're currently ranked 23rd in total offense (per game) this year with 5.99 ypp (best ypg since 2008, best ypp on cfbstats)

106th last year, 4.96 YPP

115th the year before, 4.43 ypp

118th with Weis' last year, 4.62 ypp

119th his last full year, 4.29 ypp

2012 we were 95th. 4.96 per play

2011 106th, 4.65 ypp

2010 112th, 4.32 ypp

2009 25th, 5.73 ypp

2008 21st, 5.94 ypp

So what I'm saying is, don't [censored] up and lose Meacham. Give that man the nicest scooter money can buy.
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#2021366 - 10/05/17 12:11 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: dgless21]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Let me see if I've got this right or not.

In short, KU hasn't been good on D or O or as a team period for about 7 years in a row now?

OK, got it. crazy sick
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#2021367 - 10/05/17 12:21 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: dgless21]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
Just for comparison, in the 3 years (2 under Gill and 1 under Weis) where Bowen wasn't our DC here's how KU ranked.

2010 #103 (out of 120) 6.17ypp
2011 #120 (out of 120) 7.16ypp
2012 #122 (out of 124) 6.78ypp

Our D was crap both with and without him as the DC.
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#2021368 - 10/05/17 12:23 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: dgless21]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 08/31/08
Loc: Kansas
The numbers probably wouldn't shift a tremendous amount, but I'd be more curious how our D stacked up if you account for the strength of the O's we faced each year.

Some kind of normalization to better compare year to year. If I have enough time, I may try and tinker with something.
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#2021369 - 10/05/17 12:29 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Lawrence Beer Co.
Normally, I agree with you.

However, you can see that hiring a competent OC has GREATLY impacted the offense.

Is there a particular reason we couldn't do the same with defense?

Bowen's been on the staff through all of these seasons where we've struggled. Obviously, no one likes turnover, but at some point the way we've always done it has to go if you want the process to improve. I mean, at some point, you just start saying "It can't get any worse." If that's not when you're ranked 118th against three mediocre teams, when is it?
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#2021370 - 10/05/17 12:49 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: Kman_blue]
dgless21 Offline
Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Lawrence Beer Co.
Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
The numbers probably wouldn't shift a tremendous amount, but I'd be more curious how our D stacked up if you account for the strength of the O's we faced each year.


That's great and all, but I don't really see how anyone is expected to be content with dead last, 109th, and 118th in the last three seasons.

Again, not saying I'm wrong or right, but when is it appropriate to attempt a change with repeated negative results?
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#2021371 - 10/05/17 01:06 PM Re: Bowen's Replacement [Re: Kman_blue]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 11/25/06
Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Just for comparison, in the 3 years (2 under Gill and 1 under Weis) where Bowen wasn't our DC here's how KU ranked.

2010 #103 (out of 120) 6.17ypp
2011 #120 (out of 120) 7.16ypp
2012 #122 (out of 124) 6.78ypp

Our D was crap both with and without him as the DC.


Who was the DC? Where is he now? This is who we should get.

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