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#2019349 - 08/03/17 10:03 AM espn thinks the league is loaded ...
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herman's either going to make a lot of people look smart or foolish. and conference quality will be known early with all the solid to great ooc matches.

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#2019358 - 08/03/17 03:40 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: tmcats]
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#2019387 - 08/06/17 09:23 AM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: tmcats]
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spent day in car saturday. it was interesting listening to xm84 talking heads try to rationalize why the big 12 had so many teams in the ranking. they, generally, bad mouth the league. it was hard for them to swallow.
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#2019388 - 08/06/17 10:01 AM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: tmcats]
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I really do expect the league to be better than recent years. Tech and Baylor will be down, some, but not as much as ISU and KU will be improved. There will be no cakewalks in the Big 12 this year.

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#2019392 - 08/06/17 01:34 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: tmcats]
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I wouldn't consider having 3 or 4 teams in the bottom six of the top 25 being loaded considering the teams above us.
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#2019393 - 08/06/17 03:17 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: dgless21]
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so, it would be better to have 2 rather than 6 in top 25, dg? and i'm trying to figure out what you mean with that last phrase about considering ... ?
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#2019397 - 08/06/17 03:46 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: tmcats]
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SEC has five above our third best team.
B1G has four above our third best team.
ACC has four above our third best team.
12 Pac(k) has three above our third best team.

The big 12 is not actually loaded especially since the top 4 is all that matters.
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#2019398 - 08/06/17 04:12 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: dgless21]
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Well, since we have 10 teams and some of those conferences have 16 or so teams. . . . plus the fact that in the Big 12, everybody plays everybody else, I'd say that makes the league pretty dam* tough. Don't get why some feel the need to run down the quality of the conference. Beaty's job is plenty difficult, and the Big 12 is going to be brutal.

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#2019399 - 08/06/17 04:34 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: tmcats]
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Good points Yardbird!
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#2019400 - 08/06/17 04:42 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: tmcats]
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For one, I don't put much stock in a preseason poll. These polls are as worthwhile as a verbal commitment.

I understand the depth of the conference. Yes, there are a few teams that could potentially compete in a decent level bowl--just like every other conference.

I don't agree that it is "loaded" compared to the other conferences that we're competing against. As for running the conference down, I simply pointed out facts provided by the polls themselves. I made no further commentary to suggest the Big 12 was bad or subpar. I cannot be credited with what you chose to translate into my comments.
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#2019404 - 08/07/17 09:57 AM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: dgless21]
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Registered: 09/08/02
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there is a difference between balanced and elite. i get that. the league is potentially balanced but no team is elite. that's probably true with stoops retiring. there's potential for some real 'shockers' this fall. ku at ohio will tell a whole lot about yours.
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#2019406 - 08/07/17 12:18 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: tmcats]
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Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
USA Today has put out their projections today..

Big 12 Overall Record and Conference Record
OU 10-2 with 8-1 Conference Champion
OSU 10-2 with 7-2
TCU 9-3 with 6-3
ksu 9-3 with 6-3
Texas 7-5 with 5-4
WVU 6-6 with 4-5
TTU 5-7 with 3-6
Baylor 6-6 with 3-6
ISU 4-8 with 2-7
KU 4-8 with 1-8.

They have KU winning all 3 non-con and then a game in conference, I wonder who they think it'll be.

And then other opponents CMU and Ohio

They have CMU at 5-7 with 3-5 in conference.
Ohio at 8-4 with a 6-2 conference record.
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#2019407 - 08/07/17 12:44 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: kylecof11]
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i'd say tech and baylor in lawrence present the best opportunities for ku conference victories. ohio and isu the best chances to break the road losing streak.

i think oSu will beat k-state and ou in stillwater for the regular season championship.
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#2019448 - 08/09/17 01:04 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: tmcats]
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Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
CBS just released their rankings 1-130. KU was ranked 99th.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...every-fbs-team/

Some other notables..
1. Bama
2. Ohio St.
3. FSU
4. USC
5. Penn St

8. OU
10. oSu
20. ksu
21. UT
25. TCU
31. WVU
52. BU
71. TT
82. ISU

Non-Con
80. Ohio
104. CMU

Former Conference Foes..
35. Nubs
41. aTm
43. CU
73. Meth Country (Laughed a little inside)

130th team if you were curious is UMASS
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#2019459 - 08/09/17 04:53 PM Re: espn thinks the league is loaded ... [Re: kylecof11]
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here's last year's cbs comparative.

1 finished 2 Alabama 14-1 1
2 finished 1 Clemson 14-1 2
3 finished 5 Oklahoma 11-2 4
4 finished 8 Florida State 10-3 15
5 finished 6 Ohio State 12-1 5
6 finished 13 LSU 9-3 17
7 finished 12 Stanford 12-2 3
8 finished not ranked Notre Dame 10-3 11
9 finished 10 Michigan 10-3 12
10 finished not ranked UCLA 8-5 35

so after the top 5 it starts getting a little shaky. penn state, uw, wisconsin and usc finished in the top 10.
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