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#2018842 - 07/12/17 02:28 PM dorance armstrong dpoy ...
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mayfield opoy; grier newcomer of the year.

surprised beaty isn't honored
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#2018843 - 07/12/17 02:35 PM Re: dorence armstrong dpoy ... [Re: tmcats]
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*Dorance*

Best defender KU has had since Talib. I'm excited to go to Memorial to watch him play in what is likely his last year in Crimson and Blue. Wise could easily be a first team guy by year's end as well.

Grier is going to fit so well with WVU's offense. But I'm surprised that Mayfield is not an unanimous selection.


Edited by kylecof11 (07/12/17 02:37 PM)
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#2018844 - 07/12/17 02:39 PM Re: dorence armstrong dpoy ... [Re: tmcats]
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And to top it all off, Dorance did all that damage in 2016 with a partially torn ACL. He's damn good.
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#2018845 - 07/12/17 02:45 PM Re: dorence armstrong dpoy ... [Re: tmcats]
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Peyton Bender (or Charlot) needs to win that newcomer of the year award this year.
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#2018847 - 07/12/17 04:53 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: tmcats]
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Originally Posted By: tmcats
mayfield opoy; grier newcomer of the year.

surprised beaty isn't honored
Why would Beaty be honored? To still be coaching P5 level?
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#2018852 - 07/12/17 05:24 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: tmcats]
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For cleaning up the "pile of crap" he was left with. Obviously his recruiting is better then Gill and Weis combined.
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#2018855 - 07/12/17 05:54 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: 58hawk]
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Originally Posted By: 58hawk
For cleaning up the "pile of crap" he was left with. Obviously his recruiting is better then Gill and Weis combined.


Based on what? How the hell can anyone even make a statement like this?

First 2 seasons:

Gill 5-19
Weis 4-20
Beaty 2-22

Oh yeah, totally cleaning it up.
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#2018862 - 07/12/17 10:07 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: JimWest]
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Originally Posted By: JimWest
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
For cleaning up the "pile of crap" he was left with. Obviously his recruiting is better then Gill and Weis combined.


Based on what? How the hell can anyone even make a statement like this?

First 2 seasons:

Gill 5-19
Weis 4-20
Beaty 2-22

Oh yeah, totally cleaning it up.
You're dumber then a bag of rocks. hey dumbarse that is why Beaty is 2-22.
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#2018865 - 07/12/17 11:13 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: JimWest]
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Originally Posted By: JimWest
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
For cleaning up the "pile of crap" he was left with. Obviously his recruiting is better then Gill and Weis combined.


Based on what? How the hell can anyone even make a statement like this?

First 2 seasons:

Gill 5-19
Weis 4-20
Beaty 2-22

Oh yeah, totally cleaning it up.
Guess you don't understand the difference between recruited scholarship players and unrecruited walkons.
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#2018870 - 07/13/17 03:21 AM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: 58hawk]
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Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Originally Posted By: JimWest
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
For cleaning up the "pile of crap" he was left with. Obviously his recruiting is better then Gill and Weis combined.


Based on what? How the hell can anyone even make a statement like this?

First 2 seasons:

Gill 5-19
Weis 4-20
Beaty 2-22

Oh yeah, totally cleaning it up.
You're dumber then a bag of rocks. hey dumbarse that is why Beaty is 2-22.


oh the ironing
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#2018871 - 07/13/17 03:23 AM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: Kman_blue]
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Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Originally Posted By: JimWest
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
For cleaning up the "pile of crap" he was left with. Obviously his recruiting is better then Gill and Weis combined.


Based on what? How the hell can anyone even make a statement like this?

First 2 seasons:

Gill 5-19
Weis 4-20
Beaty 2-22

Oh yeah, totally cleaning it up.
Guess you don't understand the difference between recruited scholarship players and unrecruited walkons.


Whatever the difference is, results are results.

"OH YEAH WE LOST BUT WE TRIED REALLY HARD YOU GUYS LOOK AT HOW GREAT OUR ________ IS!!*!#(*@!" < "we won"
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#2018873 - 07/13/17 03:29 AM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: tmcats]
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Mangino 8-17 & bowl appearance

He had it worse coming in than any of these clowns.
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#2018874 - 07/13/17 09:03 AM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: JimWest]
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lee is missing. yet, surprisingly, no clamor here?

i was being sarcastic about coach beaty, who is taking on the nature of terrible terry in some respects. but that's for another thread. i shouldn't have added him here. but picking players on a 'preseason' list is just as silly as coaches would be, imho.

ku's conference schedule is not favorable for much of turn this year, unless it's a U, which would certainly put the coach on a warmer, no?
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#2018881 - 07/13/17 11:22 AM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: JimWest]
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Originally Posted By: JimWest
First 2 seasons:

Mangino 8-17 & bowl appearance

He had it worse coming in than any of these clowns.
Not true. TA had good talent when Mangino took over. Weis threw off 30 or so players and depleted our scholarship players.
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#2018884 - 07/13/17 11:53 AM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: JimWest]
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Loc: Newton Kansas
Originally Posted By: JimWest
First 2 seasons:

Mangino 8-17 & bowl appearance

He had it worse coming in than any of these clowns.


The first 5 games of this season may decide Beaty's fate just as the first 5 games of 2003 decided the Buddha's fate. That roadtrip to Ohio looms as large as the Buddha's trip out to Laramie when the rising of FlashGordon began. Bender and this Alabama project need some of these kinda connections:



Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

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#2018887 - 07/13/17 12:12 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: John_Brown]
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Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: John_Brown
Originally Posted By: JimWest
First 2 seasons:

Mangino 8-17 & bowl appearance

He had it worse coming in than any of these clowns.


The first 5 games of this season may decide Beaty's fate just as the first 5 games of 2003 decided the Buddha's fate. That roadtrip to Ohio looms as large as the Buddha's trip out to Laramie when the rising of FlashGordon began. Bender and this Alabama project need some of these kinda connections:



Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou


I kind of forgot how big that Wyoming game was. And I do agree, that will be the game that will be a deciding game for 2017. I do believe KU will be 2-0 heading into that game, and they could easily make it 3-0 before conference play begins.
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#2018893 - 07/13/17 02:48 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: JimWest]
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Originally Posted By: JimWest
Whatever the difference is, results are results.

"OH YEAH WE LOST BUT WE TRIED REALLY HARD YOU GUYS LOOK AT HOW GREAT OUR ________ IS!!*!#(*@!" < "we won"
Nice straw man attempt.

I never said 2-22 was any kind of moral or other theoretical "victory" and yes results are results ultimately in the long run, but to blindly look at the 1st 2 seasons under coach Beaty and directly compare the W-L record to the last 2 coaches 1st 2 seasons is a flawed exercise lacking any context or understanding. It's not very useful.
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#2018894 - 07/13/17 02:58 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: JimWest]
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Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: JimWest
First 2 seasons:

Mangino 8-17 & bowl appearance

He had it worse coming in than any of these clowns.
I agree with 58 here. Gameball had a decent amount of talent on the team and a FULL ROSTER when he was fired. The situation was bad, but still a lot better than what coach Beaty took over.
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#2018896 - 07/13/17 03:04 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: John_Brown]
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Originally Posted By: John_Brown
Originally Posted By: JimWest
First 2 seasons:

Mangino 8-17 & bowl appearance

He had it worse coming in than any of these clowns.


The first 5 games of this season may decide Beaty's fate just as the first 5 games of 2003 decided the Buddha's fate. That roadtrip to Ohio looms as large as the Buddha's trip out to Laramie when the rising of FlashGordon began. Bender and this Alabama project need some of these kinda connections:



Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou
Good point about the possible importance of the Ohio game this year compared to the importance of the Wyoming game back in 2003. It could have a similar effect on the mentality of the team that that Wyoming game did.

I agree the first 5 games of this year are going to be important in a lot of ways, but I think coach Beaty has a longer leash still than Mangino had back in 2003 for a lot of reasons, but it'll still set the tone for the rest of the season and that'll in turn set the tone for the 2018 season when the rubber will have to meet the road for coach Beaty IMO.
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#2018898 - 07/13/17 03:27 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: Kman_blue]
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Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Originally Posted By: JimWest
First 2 seasons:

Mangino 8-17 & bowl appearance

He had it worse coming in than any of these clowns.
I agree with 58 here. Gameball had a decent amount of talent on the team and a FULL ROSTER when he was fired. The situation was bad, but still a lot better than what coach Beaty took over.


And MU, KSU, ISU, CU, and NU plus three made for a much easier set of games than we play now in conference year to year.
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#2018901 - 07/13/17 05:25 PM Re: dorance armstrong dpoy ... [Re: kylecof11]
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Originally Posted By: kylecof11


I kind of forgot how big that Wyoming game was. And I do agree, that will be the game that will be a deciding game for 2017. I do believe KU will be 2-0 heading into that game, and they could easily make it 3-0 before conference play begins.


2003:Northwestern L 28 to 20.
UNLV W 46 to 24
at Wyoming W 42 to 35
Jacksonville State W 41 to 6
Slavers W 35 to 14
We then went 2 and 5 the rest of the way to limp into a bowl game. Those losses included one of the worst beat downs of the KU defense I've personally witnessed down in Stoolwater when the Pokes ran all over KU's defense and WildBillWhit was on the mend. Still, the Buddha got the job done and got us down to Orlando. I'll take that season right now.

2017 SE Missoura State Home
Central Michigan Home
Ohio Away
West Virginia Home
Texas Tech Home

Obviously, we'll be the biggest dog to WVU. They'll have about the same ranking as Brad Smith's top 25 ranked tiggers in 03. Tech probably isn't as good as Northwestern was back then. If Beaty is gonna do it, a 4 and 1 record outta the gate is entirely w/in expectations for the program. And I expect the same sorta effort outta Beaty we saw outta the Buddha. If MikeLee can play slot receiver, put him in the slot just has Flash Gordon had to start backpedaling drills halfway through the season.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou


Edited by John_Brown (07/13/17 05:26 PM)

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