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#2018801 - 07/09/17 09:04 PM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: KUCO_VOC]
pizzanbeer Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 07/03/09
Beaty patterns his offense after Leach and Washington State ranks 77th fastest at Adjusted Time Per Offensive Play at 23.49 seconds. That is 3.5 seconds slower per offensive play than KU. The FBS median is Notre Dame at 22.50 seconds. Meacham only needs to slow it down by a few seconds per play to bring us towards Washington State and the FBS median.

The reason this is a concern this season is because our offense finally has improved enough to sustain drives while our defensive secondary has less experience. Beaty has a much different personnel situation than he did the past 2 seasons from a talent and experience perspective. I expect him and Meacham to make adjustments to offensive pace based on that. I am sure Bowen and Perry also have input since this conversation involves how fast their defense goes back out on the field.

I still see Meacham running fast pace at the start of the game, start of the 2nd half and more when we have home field advantage. I just think Meacham slows down the pace over the course of the season so it averages out more towards the median. We don't have deep enough talent and experience in our defensive secondary to run the offense at laser pace in the pass happy Big 12.



Edited by pizzanbeer (07/09/17 11:42 PM)

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#2018803 - 07/09/17 10:27 PM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: dgless21]
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Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: dgless21
idiot.
asshat
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#2018804 - 07/09/17 10:32 PM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: pizzanbeer]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: pizzanbeer
Beaty patterns his offense after Leach and Washington State ranks 77th fastest at Adjusted Time Per Offensive Play at 23.49 seconds. That is 3.5 seconds slower per offensive play than KU. The FBS median is Notre Dame at 22.50 seconds. Meacham only needs to slow it down by a few seconds per play to bring us towards Washington State and the FBS median.

The reason this is a concern this season is because our offense finally has improved enough to sustain drives while our defensive secondary has less experience. Beaty has a much different personnel situation than he did the past 2 seasons from a talent and experience perspective. I expect him and Meacham to make adjustments to offensive pace based on that. I am sure Bowen and Perry also have input since this conversation involves how fast their defense goes back out on the field.


After analyzing the asshat's data above, I also think a few more seconds play is a desirable thing to shoot for.
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#2018805 - 07/10/17 12:05 AM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Lawrence Beer Co.
Originally Posted By: pizzanbeer
Beaty patterns his offense after Leach and Washington State ranks 77th fastest at Adjusted Time Per Offensive Play at 23.49 seconds. That is 3.5 seconds slower per offensive play than KU. The FBS median is Notre Dame at 22.50 seconds. Meacham only needs to slow it down by a few seconds per play to bring us towards Washington State and the FBS median.

The reason this is a concern this season is because our offense finally has improved enough to sustain drives while our defensive secondary has less experience. Beaty has a much different personnel situation than he did the past 2 seasons from a talent and experience perspective. I expect him and Meacham to make adjustments to offensive pace based on that. I am sure Bowen and Perry also have input since this conversation involves how fast their defense goes back out on the field.

I still see Meacham running fast pace at the start of the game, start of the 2nd half and more when we have home field advantage. I just think Meacham slows down the pace over the course of the season so it averages out more towards the median.


Nothing you're saying is wrong.

The point is still efficiency. 3.5 seconds per play doesn't really change much if you're talking about three plays and a punt. The teams that excel at fast paces don't go three and out (Like Clemson).

I don't disagree that the defense improves with rest. The question becomes what is gained and lost in those extra 3.5 seconds that the offense delays and opposing defense prepares. It ultimately becomes a cost benefit analysis.

With the stats from last year for our offense and Meacham's TCU offense, I just don't see it changing much.

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#2018812 - 07/10/17 12:49 PM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
Go fast, fast, fast for 4 quarters and for 12 (maybe 13) games.

The defense will be practicing that exact way because that's how a majority of the teams in the conference play.

The depth is the best that it's been in the last 5+ years.
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#2018822 - 07/11/17 10:37 PM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 11/25/06
If you have a team that is both superior in athletic ability and depth, then (like in basketball) you want to have more plays per game. We are not there yet. Especially the depth part. Our number ones might match up evenly with most opponents, but when you get to the two, three, and four deep on the depth chart, we don't. Fewer plays per game is what is needed to possibly win.

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#2018823 - 07/12/17 08:15 AM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Lawrence Beer Co.
Is that why we won games with Mangino? We ranked ~34th in time per play in 2007 (Orange Bowl), ~25th in 2008 (Insight Bowl), and ~25th in 2009.

We didn't slow it down then. We weren't more athletic than everyone. We didn't have more depth.

What happened when Gill and Weis slowed it down?
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#2018832 - 07/12/17 09:33 AM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: dgless21]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: dgless21
Is that why we won games with Mangino? We ranked ~34th in time per play in 2007 (Orange Bowl), ~25th in 2008 (Insight Bowl), and ~25th in 2009.

We didn't slow it down then. We weren't more athletic than everyone. We didn't have more depth.

What happened when Gill and Weis slowed it down?


YES!
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#2018834 - 07/12/17 11:15 AM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: dgless21]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: dgless21
Is that why we won games with Mangino? We ranked ~34th in time per play in 2007 (Orange Bowl), ~25th in 2008 (Insight Bowl), and ~25th in 2009.

We didn't slow it down then. We weren't more athletic than everyone. We didn't have more depth.

What happened when Gill and Weis slowed it down?
I'm sure the BG12 was all the same during MM's era in football at Kansas. All the same teams being ranked, etc. Right?
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#2018835 - 07/12/17 11:51 AM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Lawrence Beer Co.
No. The Big 12 is not the same.

No. The same teams aren't ranked.

No. I don't know what your "etc." alludes to.

No. You're not right.
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#2018836 - 07/12/17 12:18 PM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: dgless21
Is that why we won games with Mangino? We ranked ~34th in time per play in 2007 (Orange Bowl), ~25th in 2008 (Insight Bowl), and ~25th in 2009.

We didn't slow it down then. We weren't more athletic than everyone. We didn't have more depth.

What happened when Gill and Weis slowed it down?
I'm sure the BG12 was all the same during MM's era in football at Kansas. All the same teams being ranked, etc. Right?


wut?
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#2018838 - 07/12/17 01:24 PM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Lawrence Beer Co.
Glad I'm not the only one that struggled to decipher what he/she was trying to say.
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#2018839 - 07/12/17 01:52 PM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: dgless21]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: dgless21
No. The Big 12 is not the same.

No. The same teams aren't ranked.

No. I don't know what your "etc." alludes to.

No. You're not right.
My point exactly A.H. Let go of MM stats that were from a different era. Use today's stats from today's teams to get the direction needed to improve on the dumpster fire. It's different today, hence CW is no longer coach...
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#2018840 - 07/12/17 02:01 PM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
Let's look at the Final Rankings for Big12 teams in the BCS in 2007 compared to that of 2016 Final Rankings..

2007 BCS
OU 4
MU 6
KU 8
UT 19
Future Big 12 Member WVU 9
2016 CFP Final Rankings
OU 7
oSu 12
WVU 16

The only consistent teams are OU (Being a top 10 team) and WVU (Who was a Big East member in 07)

KU played 3 top 25 teams in 2007, and have 4 likely Pre-Season top 25 teams on this year's schedule. I mean there's not much difference in the conferences from 2007 to 2017 in terms of talent. The only difference is that KU plays all the teams in the conference instead of the north teams and 3 south teams every year.
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#2018841 - 07/12/17 02:26 PM Re: Offensive Tempo [Re: KUCO_VOC]
dgless21 Offline
Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Lawrence Beer Co.
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
My point exactly A.H. Let go of MM stats that were from a different era. Use today's stats from today's teams to get the direction needed to improve on the dumpster fire. It's different today, hence CW is no longer coach...


Today's team hasn't played a game yet, so I don't understand how we'd use those stats.

Or are you pulling pace numbers from the spring game? If so, please share.
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