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#2016905 - 04/18/17 04:39 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: JimWest]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/28/14
Loc: Nebraska
I think in the realm of historical value, Indiana and UCLA are blueblood types. UCONN is not, and won't be. My issue with those two schools are they have been relative average since each have hired many coaches since Knight and Wooden have been gone. Its the same criteria that will hang over Duke's head in a few years. Coach is the program, end point. If we are going to consider Arizona or UCONN, Michigan St then is a no brainer every bit a blueblood now.

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#2016916 - 04/18/17 09:14 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Registered: 11/01/05
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No way. It's KU...Kentucky. .UNC...Duke current bluebloods. Indiana. .UCLA hasbeen bluebloods. ..UConn..Zona...MSU fringe at best but never achieved blueblood status. ..
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#2016922 - 04/19/17 04:35 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: PHOGUSHER]
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Registered: 01/18/08
There’s been some talk about who are the basketball bluebloods? That is a question that no single answer will satisfy everyone. I’ve compiled some stats that could give some insight in trying to answer that question. There are 20 schools being considered. There are some qualifications to be on the list. (1) No one was considered who did not have a history of at least 75 years. (2) A school had to either be in the top 20 total wins or (3) have multiple NCAA Tourney championships. Any school that can’t meet that criteria most certainly can’t be considered a blueblood. The criteria used in the stats are somewhat of a balance between season results and NCAA tourney results. The schools are listed in the order of total wins. I don’t consider every school listed as a blueblood. In fact I don’t consider most of them as being such. But it is a means of comparison. If there are any minor mistakes, they wouldn’t change to overall results.

School . . First . Total . . Win . . Conf. . Tourney. Tourney. Tourney. Tourney
. . . . . . . Season . Wins . . % . . .Champ . Champ . .Appear. . .Wins . . .Win %
UK . . . . 1903 . . 2,237 . . .765 . . . 49 . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . 56 . . . . .124 . . ..765
KU . . . . 1899 . . 2,217 . . .728 . . . 60 . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . 46 . . . . . .94 . . ..728
UNC. . . 1911 . . 2,206 . . .739 . . . 40 . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . 48 . . . . . 117. . . .739
Duke. . . 1906 . . 2,118 . . .708 . . . 27 . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . 41 . . . . .108 . . ..708
Temp .. . 1895 . . 1,895 . . .643 . . . 20 . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . 33 . . . . . .33 . . ..643
No.D. . . 1898 . . 1,868 . . .651 . . . . 1 . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . 36 . . . . . .38 . . ..651
UCLA. . 1920 . . .1,862 . . .695 . . . 37 . . . . . .11. . . . . . 48 . . . . . 103 . . ..695
Syrac.. . 1901 . . .1,861. . .679 . . . . 9 . . . . . . .1. . . . . . 38 . . . . . . 67 . . ..679
St. Jn.. . 1908 . . .1,817. . .645 . . . .14. . . . . . .0. . . . . . 29 . . . . . . 27 . . ..645
LouisV . 1912 . . .1,803. . .664 . . . .23. . . . . . . 3. . . . . . 42 . . . . . . 76 . . ..667
Azona . .1905. . . 1,789 . . .657. . . .28. . . . . . . 1. . . . . . 34 . . . . . . 56. . . .629
Illinois . .1906 . . .1,780 . . .644. . . .17. . . . . . . 0. . . . . . 30 . . . . . . 40. . . .644
BYU . . .1903 . . .1,764 . . .655. . . .27. . . . . . . 0. . . . . . 29 . . . . . . 15. . . .319
Indiana .1901 . . . 1,756. . .638. . . .22. . . . . . . 5. . . . . . 39 . . . . . . 68 . . . .638
Cin. . . . 1902 . . . 1,748. . .636. . . .27. . . . . . . 2. . . . . . 31 . . . . . . 45 . . . .600
Utah. . . 1909 . . . 1,743. . .642. . . .29. . . . . . . 1. . . . . . 29 . . . . . . 37 . . . .642
Vil . . . . 1920 . . . 1,711 . . .654. . . .11. . . . . . . 2. . . . . . 37 . . . . . . 58 . . . .617
UConn. 1901 . . . 1,666. . .644. . . .34 . . . . . . . 4. . . . . . 33 . . . . . . 59 . . . .663
M. St. . .1899 . . . 1,637. . .606. . . .13. . . . . . . 2. . . . . . 31 . . . . . . 64 . . . .687
Florida. .1915 . . . 1,396. . .564. . . . .7. . . . . . . 2. . . . . . 20 . . . . . . 44 . . . .709

After compiling the above stats, I gave a value of 1 - 20 in each column according to where each school was rated, 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. The total of the ratings for each school in each column were then added and divided by seven to find the average for each school. The following stats show where each school ended up. The stats used are objective. There are also subjective considerations that one might use. Some might want to consider two or three levels of bluebood schools. I have no doubt that the first three schools listed are bluebloods. The next two very well could be. Beyond that it becomes less and less probable, thus the possibility of two or three levels.

School . . . Total . . Average
. . . . . . . . Compos. . Score
UK. . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . 1.29
UNC . . . . . .17. . . . . 2.43
KU . . . . . . . 25. . . . . 3.57
UCLA. . . . . 29. . . . . 4.14
Duke. . . . . .36. . . . . 5.14
Louisville. . .55. . . . . 7.86
Syracuse. . .59. . . . . 8.43
UConn. . . . .73. . . . 10.43
Indiana. . . . .77. . . . 11.00
Arizona . . . .78. . . . 11.14
Notre D . . . .88. . . . 12.57
Villinova .. . .90. . . . 12.86
Temple. . . . .92. . . . 13.14
Cincinnati. . .92. . . . 13.14
Michigan St. 94. . . . 13.43
Illinois . . . . .98. . . . 14.00
St. Johns. . . 99. . . . 14.14
Utah . . . . . .99 . . . . 14.14
BYU. . . . . .103. . . . 14.71
Florida . . . .106. . . . 15.14

There are some subjective aspects that might be considered for being a blueblood, such as tradition. I was surprised that UCLA ended up above Duke. However, keep in mind that UCLA had a decade of overwhelmingly great success. But that wasn’t the case before that decade nor after it. For that reason I would be more apt to consider Duke being a bluebood than I would UCLA. UConn had some flashes of success in winning four NCAA tourneys, but not a lot of consistency. In spite of winning two tourneys in a row Florida ended up at the bottom of the pile. Michigan State has had some really good seasons under Izzo, but before that not so good.

I know some will find great fault with what I’ve done, but that’s okay. They can gnash their teeth all they want, I enjoyed doing it and some of what I discovered surprised me.

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#2016923 - 04/19/17 04:43 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Registered: 11/01/05
Loc: Western Kansas Hinderlands
You're crazy or bored. Can't determine which. Don't you have to plow the back 40. My much shorter post concerning bluebloods is accurate. Yours is just another waste of internet space. But if it made you happy that's swell...lol.
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#2016924 - 04/19/17 04:53 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: PHOGUSHER]
Jayhawk1952 Offline
US Marshal, Kansas Territory

Registered: 01/18/08
Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
You're crazy or bored. Can't determine which. Don't you have to plow the back 40. My much shorter post concerning bluebloods is accurate. Yours is just another waste of internet space. But if it made you happy that's swell...lol.


Your comments are only based upon what you think. That's probably a very dangerous thing for you to do to rely simply upon your mind. But each to his own. smile

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#2016925 - 04/19/17 06:17 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Registered: 11/01/05
Loc: Western Kansas Hinderlands
At least I don't yammer on about useless point systems and warm and fuzzy statistics. That no matter what doesnt change the fact that KU underachieves in the tournament. Roi in 14 yrs at UNC has matched KU's history of 3 whomping NCAA Tournament titles. Keep crunching them numbers though. Lol.
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#2016926 - 04/19/17 07:33 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Registered: 11/29/12
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
tl;dr


Basically, you are saying that KU is equivalent to Louisville. Sounds about right.
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#2016933 - 04/20/17 01:07 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: JimWest]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: JimWest
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
tl;dr


Basically, you are saying that KU is equivalent to Louisville. Sounds about right.
Which dorm does Kansas keep the prostitutes?
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#2016937 - 04/20/17 06:34 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: JimWest
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
tl;dr


Basically, you are saying that KU is equivalent to Louisville. Sounds about right.
Which dorm does Kansas keep the prostitutes?
Jayhawk Towers when I was an undergrad.
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#2016938 - 04/20/17 10:05 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/28/14
Loc: Nebraska
Kansas just has unexplanable bad luck in the tourney. Roy had some great teams here, maybe some of the best ever to play here,and we couldn't get it done. Self has had some elite talent, and won a title. We have had just as talented teams flame out.

Success is determined off of Final 4's. That is the ultimate measuring stick. Putting aside Calipari's issues at UMass and Memphis, he had taken 3 different schools to the Final 4. Roy has taken two, and Pitino has taken 3. Self has taken one.

Again, not bagging on Self. He is a great coach. Don't want another guy standing on our sideline. However, he is not perfect and has not done anything that others haven't done. 13 in a row is a huge accomplishment, but its also a story of how Big 12 basketball doesn't have the talent level that others do. We have maybe the best conference for coaches, but fall short on extreme talent from 1-10 in teams. Baylor and us carry the talent core.

We are blessed to have Self here, and to have this program. I think SElf will break thru and win and make many Final 4's yet. He needs to figure out some things as well. Our teams can't enter Elite 8 games and continue to always be tight and afraid to win. Bluebloods are easy to figure out. Its based on all time winning and continued success. Thats leaves a few fine programs, and thats it.

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#2016941 - 04/21/17 02:21 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: 58hawk]
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Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Jefferson's West

Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: JimWest
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
tl;dr


Basically, you are saying that KU is equivalent to Louisville. Sounds about right.
Which dorm does Kansas keep the prostitutes?
Jayhawk Towers when I was an undergrad.


The sorority houses are where they tend to live now.
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#2016942 - 04/21/17 04:04 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: 58hawk]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: JimWest
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
tl;dr


Basically, you are saying that KU is equivalent to Louisville. Sounds about right.
Which dorm does Kansas keep the prostitutes?
Jayhawk Towers when I was an undergrad.
That explains some of your declining posts these days. Perhaps it can be cured!
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#2016945 - 04/21/17 05:01 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: Jayhawk1952]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
Tri-Delt house especially.
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#2016960 - 04/23/17 09:55 AM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: dgless21]
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KU1980

Registered: 05/22/08
Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: dgless21

Originally Posted By: 58hawk
Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
tl;dr

Which dorm does Kansas keep the prostitutes?
Jayhawk Towers when I was an undergrad.

The sorority houses are where they tend to live now.
Personal experiences, huh?
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#2016961 - 04/23/17 04:48 PM Re: Self – A Top Notch Tourney/Season Coach [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Local Deity

Registered: 03/27/05
Loc: Jefferson's West
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