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#2013225 - 01/08/17 08:59 PM Spavital as OC ?
pizzanbeer Offline
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Now that Dyykes is out at Cal does Beaty hire Spavital as OC ?

Cals offense was good last season and Beaty would know inside info on Spavitals work at aTm.


Edited by pizzanbeer (01/08/17 09:08 PM)

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#2013227 - 01/09/17 07:56 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Players are pushing for him to stay and be the HC at Cal.
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#2013233 - 01/09/17 10:25 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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#1 candidate is Justin Wilcox Wisconsin's DC
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#2013236 - 01/09/17 06:27 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Originally Posted By: pizzanbeer
Now that Dyykes is out at Cal does Beaty hire Spavital as OC ?

Cals offense was good last season and Beaty would know inside info on Spavitals work at aTm.
Has Beaty hinted he wants to hire an OC?
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#2013240 - 01/09/17 08:04 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
dgless21 Offline
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I think he would hire the "right" OC.

He tried to get Lincoln Riley before OU took him. He hired Likens to be an OC.
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#2013248 - 01/10/17 11:59 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Spaz didn't leave A & M on good terms. Do we want that? Guess it can't be worse than what we have now at OC
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#2013274 - 01/11/17 06:01 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Spavital left Texas A&M because Sumlin is always on the hot seat. I heard Spavital interviewed for the Oklahoma OC position that Lincoln Riley got and it pissed off Sumlin. Heard Sumlin and Spavital had a mutual agreement to part ways after that . Sumlin has been firing coaches and coordinators over the last 3 years so he can keep his job. Heard Beaty was also going to be fired at A&M before we hired him.

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#2013284 - 01/11/17 08:18 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
dgless21 Offline
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It was mutual. aTm was unhappy with the way they lost Allen and Murray with both supposedly not enjoying Spavital.

Spavital wanted to move up in the world, and he was trying to find a bigger, better landing spot.
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#2013302 - 01/12/17 09:01 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: dgless21]
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Actually Allen and Murray decided to transfer after Spavital unannounced he was not coming back at Texas A&M as Qb coach and OC. If Allen and Murray did not like Spavital both Qbs would've stayed knowing they were getting a new Qb coach. Spavital head great relations with Allen. Murray was a true freshman and felt he should have more playing time as a true freshman but Spavital didn't think he was quite ready.

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#2013305 - 01/12/17 09:08 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: carp]
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Originally Posted By: carp
Actually Allen and Murray decided to transfer after Spavital unannounced he was not coming back at Texas A&M as Qb coach and OC. If Allen and Murray did not like Spavital both Qbs would've stayed knowing they were getting a new Qb coach. Spavital head great relations with Allen. Murray was a true freshman and felt he should have more playing time as a true freshman but Spavital didn't think he was quite ready.
Thank you for the "unfake" news. You beat me posting the timing difference issue.
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#2013309 - 01/12/17 09:32 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: carp]
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Originally Posted By: carp
Actually Allen and Murray decided to transfer after Spavital unannounced he was not coming back at Texas A&M as Qb coach and OC. If Allen and Murray did not like Spavital both Qbs would've stayed knowing they were getting a new Qb coach. Spavital head great relations with Allen. Murray was a true freshman and felt he should have more playing time as a true freshman but Spavital didn't think he was quite ready.


You're right.

I just recall Murray having an outburst at Spavital during the Bama game once upon a time. Murray also was benched the next week(s?) for the incident. It didn't seem like Murray (or his Daddy) was a big fan of Spavital's.

Allen commented "negatively" on Texas A&M and the culture after his transfer, but he actually had positive things to say about Spavital.
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#2013315 - 01/12/17 11:45 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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So Beaty hired Meachem. The TCU OC. This is a big damn move. Holy crap.
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#2013316 - 01/12/17 11:54 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: kylecof11]
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Sounds like a great hire. I'm ready to finish strong with this recruiting class and get to spring ball!

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#2013318 - 01/12/17 11:58 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: kylecof11]
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Originally Posted By: kylecof11
So Beaty hired Meachem. The TCU OC. This is a big damn move. Holy crap.


No kidding. Give Beaty a hand. Well done.


Edited by dgless21 (01/12/17 11:59 AM)
Edit Reason: Don't worry about it.
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#2013320 - 01/12/17 12:00 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: kylecof11]
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Originally Posted By: kylecof11
So Beaty hired Meachem. The TCU OC. This is a big damn move. Holy crap.
Meachem has "earned it". His hire can save both Zenger and Beaty bacon. Sounds like they finally took my advice to get someone with experience in winning.

Hopefully he is making more than $1.6M guaranteed.


Edited by KUCO_VOC (01/12/17 12:07 PM)
Edit Reason: I never worry about it
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#2013321 - 01/12/17 12:08 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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I can't understate how big this is for the program. This is a guy KU people wanted a few years back, now he is part of the program after 3 years of calling plays at a damn good program. Instantly improves the offense. To replace Phillips with Meacham is a definite upgrade.
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#2013322 - 01/12/17 12:11 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: kylecof11]
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Originally Posted By: kylecof11
I can't understate how big this is for the program. This is a guy KU people wanted a few years back, now he is part of the program after 3 years of calling plays at a damn good program. Instantly improves the offense. To replace Phillips with Meacham is a definite upgrade.
Hopefully, he can take over special teams as well. Couldn't do worse!
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#2013329 - 01/12/17 01:20 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: kylecof11]
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Originally Posted By: kylecof11
I can't understate how big this is for the program. This is a guy KU people wanted a few years back, now he is part of the program after 3 years of calling plays at a damn good program. Instantly improves the offense. To replace Phillips with Meacham is a definite upgrade.


Agreed. He is a home run of a hire.

Definitely doesn't hurt that he's from the Dallas area, and he has the Big 12 knowledge from OkSU and TCU. Quickly fills two areas of need with OC and WR.

It has been noted in a couple tweets that Meacham signed a three year deal. I wonder what the pay is like. He would seem to be an upgrade from Likens who was at 400-450k a year, IIRC.
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#2013333 - 01/12/17 02:20 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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If I had a guess, he is probably around the 600K range. I think Beaty went to Zenger and said we have an opportunity to get this guy, but we have to up the pay to get him compared to what they paid Likens/Phillips.
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#2013336 - 01/12/17 03:00 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Maybe DB is smarter than we thought. I am so happy he is no longer calling plays.
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#2013338 - 01/12/17 03:15 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/call-ni...acks-under-dou/

Fun article to see how QBs have fared under Meacham
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#2013343 - 01/12/17 04:06 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: dgless21]
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I like this hire. Meacham has more experience than Likens did as an OC. He has spent a lot of time coaching in Ok and Tx so he should be able to help with recruiting. Now I'm expecting a win against TCU.

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#2013351 - 01/12/17 05:16 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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I hate to pee in everyone's Wheaties, but this is not a "home run hire". Maybe in the current state of KU football, its the best we can do, however this is far from a "home run".

His experience besides the smaller schools is at Oklahoma St, TCU, and Houston, which all sound great. However, two of the three he was all but fired from.

TCU would have demoted him after this year after regressing quite a bit offensively. It wasn't just because of losing Boykin either. They couldn't run the ball, and this quote from Patterson after the OSU game says it all...

“Shoot, maybe we’ll be changing offenses again,” Patterson said after the loss to the Cowboys. “You have to be able to run the football. Definitely how we practice and do things in the spring and in two-a-days, I can tell you that. … My guys downstairs know I love them, but the bottom line is we had two weeks to prepare.

Not a vote of confidence for the guy. Thing is, that isn't the only place that wanted him gone previously...

The guy played with Mike Gundy at OSU in the mid 80's and was on Gundy's original coaching staff back in 2005. They had great success, but how can you explain him getting passed over for Offensive Coordinator THREE TIMES for outside candidates before finally leaving for Houston? The papers at the time even questioned not promoting him, so that tells you something internally was up.

Listen, I love KU football and want them to succeed more than anyone, but lets be real here. Doug Meacham is another scrap heap coach who we hype up, but the truth is, we didn't steal him from anyone.

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#2013352 - 01/12/17 05:19 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: TheBashman]
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Well said Bashman!

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#2013354 - 01/12/17 05:23 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: KUCO_VOC]
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Originally Posted By: KUCO_VOC
Originally Posted By: kylecof11
So Beaty hired Meachem. The TCU OC. This is a big damn move. Holy crap.
Meachem has "earned it". His hire can save both Zenger and Beaty bacon. Sounds like they finally took my advice to get someone with experience in winning.

Hopefully he is making more than $1.6M guaranteed.
Hope we can keep Bowen. Nebraska just fired their DC.
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#2013355 - 01/12/17 05:23 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: beenahawk]
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Originally Posted By: beenahawk
Well said Bashman!
And I was happy for a couple hours. Damnit!
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#2013380 - 01/12/17 08:51 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Interesting that he turned down Tulane and North Texas for HC position.Easy to dump on a guy who wasn't totally responsible for the successes or failures of TCU offense. Let's match this guy's play calling with improved personnel on KU's offense and maybe a for real QB in Bender and see what happens.
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#2013385 - 01/12/17 09:33 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: AlOerter]
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Originally Posted By: AlOerter
Interesting that he turned down Tulane and North Texas for HC position.Easy to dump on a guy who wasn't totally responsible for the successes or failures of TCU offense. Let's match this guy's play calling with improved personnel on KU's offense and maybe a for real QB in Bender and see what happens.
I agree it will be interesting to see. My eyes are wide open.
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#2013389 - 01/12/17 09:58 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: AlOerter]
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Originally Posted By: AlOerter
Interesting that he turned down Tulane and North Texas for HC position.Easy to dump on a guy who wasn't totally responsible for the successes or failures of TCU offense. Let's match this guy's play calling with improved personnel on KU's offense and maybe a for real QB in Bender and see what happens.


Thing is, he wasn't even a candidate at Tulane by sources from ESPN and beyond....

http://www.nola.com/tulane/index.ssf/2015/12/tulane_reportedly_offers_head.html

The hype machine continues but facts are facts. I am willing to see what he can do, but there are huge red flags with him.

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#2013396 - 01/13/17 08:22 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Regardless of whether he was offered a HC position, we have a history of having to bring in coaches who had been out of coaching, were position coaches, were smaller school dudes, or were HS coaches.

We needed a WR's coach. We needed to improve on offense, and most wanted to see Beaty give up the play-calling duties. Beaty didn't find someone who had one good season or that dominated against the Mountain West or MAC, he found someone that helped an offense to be 30th, 6th, and 6th in total offense the last 3 years. Before he showed up, they were 107th.

We can say he was on his way out. We can say he never got HC offers. We can have a defeatist, negative outlook on everything...or we can look at the positives. We hired a great OC that greatly improved the TCU offense. He checks all the boxes for coaching WRs, experienced OC, Beaty turning over play-calling, and recruiting in a hotbed (Dallas).

Asking for someone bigger or better is either just blind greed or a complete misunderstanding of the state of KU football--regarding both its prestige and financials.
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#2013398 - 01/13/17 08:41 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Pessimists vs. optimists. Love the board.

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#2013403 - 01/13/17 10:33 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Well said dgless!
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#2013410 - 01/13/17 12:40 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Meacham’s hire looks good. We know he can coach talent. In 2014 their only loss was to Baylor 61-58. It’s hard to lay that loss at the feet of the OC. Production took a major drop at TCU this past year. Is that a reflection on Meacham? Has TCU missed on a lot of recruits? Was it an experience factor?
He’s going to be working with less talent than he’s had in quite a while. With all the pieces in place, it’s not hard to make a Ferrari run fast. While our talent and depth appear to be improving, I still see us as the mini-van of the Big 12.
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#2013414 - 01/13/17 01:58 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: PbBut]
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Originally Posted By: PbBut
Meacham’s hire looks good. We know he can coach talent. In 2014 their only loss was to Baylor 61-58. It’s hard to lay that loss at the feet of the OC. Production took a major drop at TCU this past year. Is that a reflection on Meacham? Has TCU missed on a lot of recruits? Was it an experience factor?
He’s going to be working with less talent than he’s had in quite a while. With all the pieces in place, it’s not hard to make a Ferrari run fast. While our talent and depth appear to be improving, I still see us as the mini-van of the Big 12.


TCU lost a handful of starters to the NFL from their 2015 team. Boykin, Doctson at WR, a big OT, Listenbee at WR and a C. Hill is a pretty overrated QB, he fell down hard at A&M before transferring, and struggled again at TCU, they just didn't have any options.

I would consider their drop-off in production this year to new starters, and players that just weren't as good. Add in the fact that their defense was down as well, it just wasn't a good combo. I mean TCU still scored 31ppg last year. I'll take that.
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#2013415 - 01/13/17 02:03 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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The simplest explanation for why they went from 6th to 30th in total offense is losing Boykin, Aaron Green (leading RB), Doctson (WR), Listenbee (WR), and 4 starting OL (I think).

They had four players on offense drafted (2 WR and 2 OL) and Boykin and Green both made rosters (Seahawks and Rams).

Edit: Or what he just said right above me.


Edited by dgless21 (01/13/17 02:04 PM)
Edit Reason: Didn't post quick enough :(
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#2013431 - 01/13/17 06:45 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: dgless21]
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Meacham had QBs that could run the ball at TCU but he won't have that with Bender. If Meachams solution is to sub in Cozart for QB run plays then we will have a problem. KU has some decent RBs and Meacham will need to figure out how to use them to balance out the offense.


Edited by pizzanbeer (01/13/17 07:01 PM)

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#2013432 - 01/13/17 08:08 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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I agree with what you're saying. Being a dual threat QB definitely can add a dimension to the offense, but he's been our OC for a day. I'm sure he has some time to figure out the starter and how to best utilize the starter's abilities and the abilities of the offense overall.

Stanley and Bender aren't ever going to have the athleticism of Trevone or Kenny, but Meacham does have the most talented bunch of receivers KU has had in a long time...and KU has the most experienced depth on the offensive line that we've had in awhile.
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#2013451 - 01/14/17 10:11 AM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: dgless21]
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Originally Posted By: dgless21
I agree with what you're saying. Being a dual threat QB definitely can add a dimension to the offense, but he's been our OC for a day. I'm sure he has some time to figure out the starter and how to best utilize the starter's abilities and the abilities of the offense overall.

Stanley and Bender aren't ever going to have the athleticism of Trevone or Kenny, but Meacham does have the most talented bunch of receivers KU has had in a long time...and KU has the most experienced depth on the offensive line that we've had in awhile.
Obviously. Your turn.
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#2013475 - 01/14/17 04:16 PM Re: Spavital as OC ? [Re: pizzanbeer]
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Back to topic, Spavital is hired by WV.
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