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#1937224 - 07/18/13 08:50 PM Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?)
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
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So coming out of the All-Star Break, the Royals are sitting at 6 games under (43-49). The Tigers are most likely going to run away with this division in the second half, but a run at a wild card spot isn't completely implausible. The trade deadline is quickly approaching.

In your opinion, should the Royals buy or sell right now? And who should they trade or trade for? Interested in hearing your opinions.

Personally, I think that the Royals should make that call after the first two series coming out of the break. They get 7 games against Detroit (3) and Baltimore (4). If you lose both of those series, I think it would be wise to sell, sell, sell.

Santana seems like a prime candidate.
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#1937226 - 07/18/13 08:51 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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If Moore can spot a mark now, gotta do it.
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#1937452 - 07/19/13 02:06 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
rockchalker5 Offline
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Ask me this question in about 10 days and I'll give you a definitive answer.

I might be decided after this weekend series with the Tigers. The Royals are just about cooked, but there is still a very dim light at the end of the tunnel.
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#1937466 - 07/19/13 02:22 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 05/17/04
Originally Posted By: KUSPORTSFAN93
So coming out of the All-Star Break, the Royals are sitting at 6 games under (43-49). The Tigers are most likely going to run away with this division in the second half, but a run at a wild card spot isn't completely implausible.


You do realize they are further out from a wild card spot than they are the division, right?

They aren't going to the playoffs this season, let's face facts.

Garza looks like he's going to be dealt anytime now, and he's definitely going to get the Cubs back a hefty haul.

Santana is definitely in the next tier of guys that should be available...there's no reason for Moore to wait to deal him.

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#1937493 - 07/19/13 03:07 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
kylecof11 Offline
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Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
I definitely think Santana should be dealt, but only if KC doesn't win this upcoming 7 day stretch. This will set the tone of the 2nd half. Santana put something on twitter that KC will dominate the second half. The season is theirs.

The schedule isn't too terrible. 4 series vs Detroit and then 3 vs MN and CWS then 2 vs Cle. Still have to play Seattle for 2 series, play at the Mets, home vs. Washington and Miami.
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#1937494 - 07/19/13 03:08 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Registered: 07/20/09
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I think KC entered the break perfectly. Guys probably tired of each other, routine gets a bit old. Now they can come in a bit refreshed and hopefully they can open the break like they opened the season.
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#1937563 - 07/19/13 06:45 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: kylecof11]
41and2since94 Offline
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Originally Posted By: kylecof11
I think KC entered the break perfectly.

With a five-game losing streak?

Not sure I follow.
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#1937607 - 07/20/13 01:12 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: christgs80]
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
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Originally Posted By: christgs80
Originally Posted By: KUSPORTSFAN93
So coming out of the All-Star Break, the Royals are sitting at 6 games under (43-49). The Tigers are most likely going to run away with this division in the second half, but a run at a wild card spot isn't completely implausible.


You do realize they are further out from a wild card spot than they are the division, right?

They aren't going to the playoffs this season, let's face facts.

Garza looks like he's going to be dealt anytime now, and he's definitely going to get the Cubs back a hefty haul.

Santana is definitely in the next tier of guys that should be available...there's no reason for Moore to wait to deal him.



I do realize that. But I said that I believe that the Tigers are going to RUN AWAY with the division. They haven't played to their potential. They are going to mop the floor with this joke division. Garza has had his value a bit artificially inflated this year, but his track record is impeccable. He should be the first guy teams are after. But Santana isn't far behind. He has been lights out this year. And tonight only bolstered his value (Tigers). Santana should be traded if a nice return is there for the taking.
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#1938588 - 07/23/13 09:27 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Pirates closer Grilli may be out for an extended period of time. Mayhaps they become desperate for a closer? Or is Moore just gonna stay pat and ride this season out?

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#1938589 - 07/23/13 09:29 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
JFish26 Offline
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Grilli out, desperate for contention, rich farm system. Come on.
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#1938594 - 07/23/13 09:36 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
christgs80 Offline
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Registered: 05/17/04
If Moore is balking at trading Santana....there's no chance in hell he wants to deal Holland.

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#1938599 - 07/23/13 09:40 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
JFish26 Offline
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I can think of a few reasons that it makes more sense to trade Holland than Santana.
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#1938601 - 07/23/13 09:43 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Registered: 05/17/04
I don't disagree, but if he's not willing to trade a guy who probably won't be here next season because he's trying to finish .500, what are the odds Holland, who is young, under contract for multiple years, is on the block?

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#1938606 - 07/23/13 09:47 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
JFish26 Offline
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Oh, I don't think Vegas would even list them. No way it even occurs to Dayton.
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#1938653 - 07/23/13 10:42 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
rockchalker5 Offline
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Trading Holland makes a ton of sense. If the return is right...

Closers flame out all the time. Especially since Holland isn't a big phyical guy. Remember Soria? Good thing we didn't trade him for anyone....
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#1938673 - 07/23/13 11:52 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: JFish26]
41and2since94 Offline
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Originally Posted By: JFish26
No way it even occurs to Dayton.

So contact him. His e-mail address is rather guessable.


There seems to be this chasm between what is a very knowledgeable fan base (e.g., many posters on royalsreview.com and several here) and the power structure at 1 Royal Way. What seems obvious to many engaged fans (not the casual ones), may not be so evident to those in charge. Dayton clearly needs help in his evaluation of the overall position the Royals. He should have quality folks around him to help with that, but maybe that's not the case.

I've been on the "hot-seat" before where my decisions are noticed by a very large number of people. Your evaluation and decision-making can be affected by knowing your choices have huge impacts. Perhaps Dayton is the type that "locks up" in these situations and that causes him to frequently not do what is best for the organization (even though he thinks he is).

Highly speculative on my part, of course. But I don't think it can hurt to let him (or others near him) know your opinion.
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#1938684 - 07/23/13 12:30 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
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This may be the Pirates' only chance at contention. They have been awful for a long time. If they even inquire about Holland, Dayton needs to sell, sell, sell him. Obviously, you don't get screwed in the process. But for a good return, I don't see why you don't move him. A couple of other contenders could use him as well. I know some people think it's sacrilege to trade within the division, but Detroit could sure use Holland and I bet they'd be willing to give a decent amount for him.

As far as I'm concerned, the Royals, at this moment, need to be sellers. And they need to sell Holland and Santana if they can get good returns on either or both.
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#1938688 - 07/23/13 12:39 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Registered: 05/17/04
Moore should have been on the phone last night with the GM of the Pirates.

If nothing comes out of it, hey, that's fine, it happens.

But if Moore never even picked up the phone (and we'll never know one way or the other), then there's ZERO excuse for it.

None.

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#1938689 - 07/23/13 12:41 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: christgs80]
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 01/30/09
Loc: Lawrence, Kansas
Originally Posted By: christgs80
Moore should have been on the phone last night with the GM of the Pirates.

If nothing comes out of it, hey, that's fine, it happens.

But if Moore never even picked up the phone (and we'll never know one way or the other), then there's ZERO excuse for it.

None.


Absolutely. I find it hard to believe that he won't, at some point, even get into talks with a couple teams about Holland.
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#1939222 - 07/24/13 05:55 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Word is Moore is now willing to "listen" to offers for Santana, but the price is steep.

I'm ok with this....it's a good first step.

Hopefully this leads to a very nice haul in return for trading Santana, because he honestly might be the best available starter in the market now that Garza has been traded.

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#1939379 - 07/25/13 01:05 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
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He IS the best on the market with Garza off of it. I'm ecstatic that he has had two great starts after the break. Only serves to bolster his stock.

I hope that Dayton really plays it like he's saying. Demand a steep price and you'll get a pretty good one, as sparse as the starting pitcher market is. I read that the Sox (Red) might be looking to acquire Santana and Hoch in tandem.
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#1939396 - 07/25/13 08:17 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Registered: 05/17/04
It's foolish to think (looking at you Phog) that you can't get a nice haul for Santana.

Every team in contention wants starting pitching....and Santana is the best available starting pitcher that is on the market.

You can get a very similar haul that the Cubs got for Garza. A power bat that is close to major-league ready, a young pitcher that has shown lots of promise so far, and another young pitcher that has been to the majors, and has been ok at best, but has shown ability in the minors.

Garza also is a FA after the season, so like Santana, there's a definite chance that Texas traded all that for a 2 month rental player.

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#1939458 - 07/25/13 11:06 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
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I don't think that the Royals will get quite as much (assuming he's traded), simply because Santana hasn't shown Garza's remarkable consistency. But I do think that the haul will be pretty similar, and probably even better if a back-end bullpen guy is packaged with him.
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#1939501 - 07/25/13 01:13 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
kylecof11 Offline
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Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: KUSPORTSFAN93
I don't think that the Royals will get quite as much (assuming he's traded), simply because Santana hasn't shown Garza's remarkable consistency. But I do think that the haul will be pretty similar, and probably even better if a back-end bullpen guy is packaged with him.


He's been fairly consistent this year. His ERA and WHIP is better than his career average. You can get a lot for him because he is arguably the best SP left out there on the market.
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#1939512 - 07/25/13 01:28 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: kylecof11]
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
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Registered: 01/30/09
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Originally Posted By: kylecof11
Originally Posted By: KUSPORTSFAN93
I don't think that the Royals will get quite as much (assuming he's traded), simply because Santana hasn't shown Garza's remarkable consistency. But I do think that the haul will be pretty similar, and probably even better if a back-end bullpen guy is packaged with him.


He's been fairly consistent this year. His ERA and WHIP is better than his career average. You can get a lot for him because he is arguably the best SP left out there on the market.


I mean over a career. Granted, he'll just be a rental this year. But you feel more confident that a guy like Garza (sub-4 ERA his ENTIRE career except for his rookie year) won't let you down. But you are absolutely right about Santana being the best on the market. That's worth quite a bit.
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#1939601 - 07/25/13 04:57 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Of course it's all speculation at this point, but BR put out an article today with some hypothetical trades for Santana. It's pretty short and worth a read, if for no other reason than to learn the names of some potential bargaining chips as the Royals try to deal Santana.

5 Possible Trades for Ervin Santana
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#1939602 - 07/25/13 05:01 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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And how about this quote from the article by an anonymous exec in attendance last night, relayed by Jayson Stark:

"I'd take him over Garza. Hit 95-96 a lot. Slider was 85-86. And commanding everything"
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#1939616 - 07/25/13 05:48 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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I really like that trade listed with Boston.

That's exactly the deal I'd like to see, or of course, something similar.

I really think, if they do move Santana, they need to get atleast one young minor league bat, if not a couple.

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#1939623 - 07/25/13 06:09 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
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I like the Boston deal too. The A's deal is also intriguing.

BUT WAIT. ESPN now gives the Royals OVER a 5% chance of making the playoffs. Call off the trades. Call 'em off.

In all seriousness though, I hope the Royals can find a buyer for a package of Santana/Holland or Santana/Hoch and get back a good OF prospect and a couple good pitching prospects.
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#1939702 - 07/25/13 10:15 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Dayton thinks that he can catch Detroit with the schedule coming up.

We're buying.
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#1939703 - 07/25/13 10:28 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
41and2since94 Offline
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yeah, taking 3 out of 4 from Baltimore was fun, but hope it doesn't result in moore stupidity (e.g., acquiring Alex Rios) from the front office.
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#1939716 - 07/26/13 12:31 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
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Just as a matter of principle, I don't think I can root against the Royals, but it might be the best thing for the team to get swept by the Sox.
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#1939733 - 07/26/13 08:26 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
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Registered: 05/17/04
Originally Posted By: CrimsonNBlue
Dayton thinks that he can catch Detroit with the schedule coming up.

We're buying.


Yep, I have a bad feeling this is true.

I really really hate the White Sox, but damn, I sure wouldn't mind seeing them take this series. Royals win 2 out of 3, or even sweep them, and I have no doubt Moore will do something very stupid early next week.

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#1939741 - 07/26/13 09:03 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Typical comments from a fanbase with a LOSER mentality.This is exactly the thing that the Royals organization and its fans need to get away from.
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#1939748 - 07/26/13 09:21 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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#1939758 - 07/26/13 09:45 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: rockchalker5]
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Registered: 05/17/04
Originally Posted By: rockchalker5
Typical comments from a fanbase with a LOSER mentality.This is exactly the thing that the Royals organization and its fans need to get away from.


You don't get it, do you?

It's cool....81-81 is a great goal and every Royals fan should want 81-81.

When is the parade downtown gonna be when that happens? Because I want to be there!

If the Royals want to stand pat because they think they can make a run...hey, I'm ok with it. I think it's 1000000% the wrong move, but I can live with it.

But if they do something stupid, and trade for an Alex Rios (or somebody along those lines), then I really don't know what to say.


Edited by christgs80 (07/26/13 09:47 AM)

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#1939790 - 07/26/13 11:37 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: rockchalker5]
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

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Originally Posted By: rockchalker5
Typical comments from a fanbase with a LOSER mentality.This is exactly the thing that the Royals organization and its fans need to get away from.


Do you realize that the Royals are sitting at 48-51? To have a legitimate shot at the playoffs, they would need a win total in the upper 80s. That means they would need to go something like 40-23 in their last 63 games. You look at the team on the field and tell me if you think it's likely to do that.

Sure, they can play out the 2013 season with Santana and then let him go sign a big contract somewhere else and get a compensatory pick in return if they make a QO. Or they can trade him right now to a WS contender and get a few good prospects back.
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#1939800 - 07/26/13 12:05 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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I post a lot of Neyer links, but he just makes it easy to understand where we really are.

But you also trade Greg Holland because you can replace him.
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#1939802 - 07/26/13 12:15 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
KUSPORTSFAN93 Offline
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Originally Posted By: CrimsonNBlue
I post a lot of Neyer links, but he just makes it easy to understand where we really are.

But you also trade Greg Holland because you can replace him.


Read that earlier today. Good article. Thanks for posting.
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#1939804 - 07/26/13 12:30 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Indeed he does CnB.

Simple straight to the point article that is spot on, and yet, won't do a bit of good to what the Royals should be thinking, just like he points out in his last sentence.

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#1939812 - 07/26/13 12:45 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: christgs80]
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I don't think we're standing pat.

If Dayton doesn't think we can make the playoffs, then I don't think even he is stupid enough to hold onto Santana for just a compensatory pick.

If he does think we can catch the Tigers, he's making a move and going all in.

This all comes down to Dayton's crystal ball.
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#1939815 - 07/26/13 12:50 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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I don't think that Moore will go all in. If he refuses to trade Santana or a bullpen guy AND trades prospects for a major league piece, he very well could be fired at the end of the year.

I think that he'll get another year, at least, if he trades Santana and/or Holland and/or Hoch for prospects and the team continues to play well.
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#1939821 - 07/26/13 01:05 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Word is the RSox are interested in Hoch.
DM needs to make that deal NOW. Get rid of that bag o balls and his incredibly stupid salary now.
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#1939822 - 07/26/13 01:05 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Originally Posted By: KUSPORTSFAN93
Originally Posted By: rockchalker5
Typical comments from a fanbase with a LOSER mentality.This is exactly the thing that the Royals organization and its fans need to get away from.


Do you realize that the Royals are sitting at 48-51? To have a legitimate shot at the playoffs, they would need a win total in the upper 80s. That means they would need to go something like 40-23 in their last 63 games. You look at the team on the field and tell me if you think it's likely to do that.

Sure, they can play out the 2013 season with Santana and then let him go sign a big contract somewhere else and get a compensatory pick in return if they make a QO. Or they can trade him right now to a WS contender and get a few good prospects back.


I know what our record is. And I'm not saying that we shouldn't consider trading Santana/Holland or anyone else. Because we should absolutely be exploring those opportunities.

What I'm saying its that its completely ridiculous to ever hope to lose games. The stench of losing has been here too long and something has to change. If you continue to sell off your team every year like we always have...then what does that say to the guys already on the team? You think Hosmer will want to sign a long term deal with a franchise dedicated to losing? Its the same reason that we had to trade a valuable piece (Myers) in order to get some starting pitcher. Because its really hard to get guys in free agency when NOBODY wants to come here. And why would they?

At some point the culture has to change. We probably won't win the division this year. But there is still a lot of good things that come from playing meaningful baseball games in September.
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#1939825 - 07/26/13 01:10 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: KUSPORTSFAN93]
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Apparently KC is asking for more with Santana than what Chicago got from Texas for Garza. Teams are willing to really overspend on rentals if that means post season success. But I really think Crow could fit into the closer role and even maybe Hochevar because he has been nearly unhittable with runners on base. KC really has options for their pitching in the minors and in the bullpen now, same cannot be said for hitting, which is why they should trade for a starting second baseman and a young corner outfielder that can start off in AAA or even AA.
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#1939827 - 07/26/13 01:13 PM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: christgs80]
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Originally Posted By: christgs80
Originally Posted By: rockchalker5
Typical comments from a fanbase with a LOSER mentality.This is exactly the thing that the Royals organization and its fans need to get away from.


But if they do something stupid, and trade for an Alex Rios (or somebody along those lines), then I really don't know what to say.


I agree we shouldn't be buying. Especailly someone like Rios. But I think keeping the roster where it is, winning 84 games and missing the playoffs by a few games wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the franchise.
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#1939964 - 07/27/13 01:49 AM Re: Royals (July 18th): Buyers or Sellers? (And Who?) [Re: rockchalker5]
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Originally Posted By: rockchalker5
Originally Posted By: christgs80
Originally Posted By: rockchalker5
Typical comments from a fanbase with a LOSER mentality.This is exactly the thing that the Royals organization and its fans need to get away from.


But if they do something stupid, and trade for an Alex Rios (or somebody along those lines), then I really don't know what to say.


I agree we shouldn't be buying. Especailly someone like Rios. But I think keeping the roster where it is, winning 84 games and missing the playoffs by a few games wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the franchise.



Except keeping the roster where it is get you no Santana next year and nothing in return but a sandwich pick in the draft. How about hitting up Arizona who needs to shore up the rotation Santana for Chris Owings?
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