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#1931632 - 07/02/13 11:05 AM Indians @ Royals
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HUGE series. 13 games until the All-Star break, 6 with the Indians, 4 with the Yanks, 3 with the A's. Putting up a good record in this stretch could mean a lot heading into the All-Star Break.
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#1931635 - 07/02/13 11:27 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Biggest series of the year so far. Would be able to gain some ground and get momentum up to the All-Star Break. Helps Shields is pitching the finale on Thursday and then against the Yankees in NY.
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#1931665 - 07/02/13 12:55 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Tough stretch. All 13 games against teams with a winning record.

For obvious reasons, the 6 games against Cleveland are bigger.

But if the Royals could manage 8-5, that would be massive heading into the second half of the season at .500

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#1931747 - 07/02/13 05:49 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Tribe back atop the standings surprisingly enough.
Here's to hoping they can take the first two & get lucky the last one against Shields.

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#1931753 - 07/02/13 06:08 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Screw the Tribe...they suck. This is Royal's country fool.
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#1931757 - 07/02/13 06:30 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Oh I'm sorry - I must have been mistaken since this board usually shuts down by mid May

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#1931818 - 07/02/13 10:22 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Registered: 05/17/04
Damn this team is frustrating.

Tough loss tonight. They gotta stop losing the 1st game of the series.

Need to take the next two.....very important.

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#1931870 - 07/03/13 08:09 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
kylecof11 Offline
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Registered: 07/20/09
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Can't walk 8 batters.
The first inning was killer. They scored 2 runs on 2 hits.

I still cannot stand Chris Perez. What an absolute piece of trash.
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#1931877 - 07/03/13 08:39 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Perez is trash.

Collins and Crow have just been terrible lately.

All Escobar had to do was hit the ball to move a runner, and he couldn't do it. Watch the 1st strike go by. Watch the 2nd go by. and swiff at the third.
His hitting has really went down hill last year.

Tough break with Lough drilling it right at the second basement in the 8th and still almost beating out the double play.

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#1931899 - 07/03/13 09:20 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Tough loss...made maneagable by Gordo's Denny's Special.

Duh, Chris Perez.


Edited by jayheel (07/03/13 09:24 AM)
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#1931900 - 07/03/13 09:20 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Registered: 05/17/04
That's twice since Ned put Escobar back into the #2 spot that he has failed in a late inning situation with runners on.

Just terrible.

Lots of chances last night...that's a game they simply cannot lose.

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#1931906 - 07/03/13 09:25 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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It still comes down to the fool known as Ned not knowing when to pull pitchers. Sure Mendoza settled down after the first inning. But why the hell did he pull Hocheaver. The double Cs have been struggling of late. Is it time to give Hoche a chance at starting again????


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#1931914 - 07/03/13 09:30 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Registered: 05/17/04
No no no no on Hoch starting again.

Him in the bullpen is working. No reason to mess with that.

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#1931918 - 07/03/13 09:34 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Ok ...how about him getting more than 2 innings then...Really at sometime this year I knew either Guthrie, Davis, or Mendoza would start struggling. So you are saying Hochevar wouldnt be a better starting option than one of those 3 right now.
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#1931923 - 07/03/13 09:40 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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I agree with you he should have gone longer last night.

Don't get me sucked in by the #'s he has put up in the bullpen.

Working out of the bullpen after being a starter is an easy transition, and fools people into believing you can be a starter again.

You want the perfect example....you named him in your post.

Wade Davis

He couldn't make it as a stater...the Rays moved him to the bullpen....his velocity increased, his #'s were off the charts.

The Royals traded for him...said, hey, he can be a starter in this league, look at what he did out of the pen last season.

And you've seen the results so far...he's easily been the worst starter the Royals have currently.

He's the only guy I'd consider moving out of the bullpen for now, but not for Hoch.

Guthrie has been up and down...he's giving up way too many HR's and not striking enough guys out. I think he'll be ok. He is what he always has been....a decent #4 starter.

And Mendoza is just fine with me. If you ask anybody if their #5 starter is going to have a 4.41 ERA, they'll say yes please, I'll take it and move on.

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#1931933 - 07/03/13 09:46 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: christgs80]
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Registered: 11/07/09
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: christgs80
That's twice since Ned put Escobar back into the #2 spot that he has failed in a late inning situation with runners on.

Just terrible.


I just do not understand Ned's burning desire to bat Escobar 2nd. Escobar seems very poor in the category of "quality at bat". Unless he gets a hit...which he does 25% of the time...he seems unable to have a quality at bat.

Out of curiosity, I looked up stats of the other #2 batters in the division. They all have around 310 at bats on the season, except for Cleveland's A. Cabrera who has only 228 at bats:

J. Mauer - 318 avg, .402 OBP, 65 strike outs, 43 walks
A. Ramirez - .283 avg, .310 OBP, 44 strike outs, 11 walks
T. Hunter - .301 avg, .343 OBP, 53 strike outs, 16 walks
A. Cabrera - .268 avg, .324 OBP, 58 strike outs, 15 walks
E. Escobar - .249 avg, .280 OBP, 38 strike outs, 12 walks

The .280 OBP is what stands out to me. And having only 38 strikeouts is kind of impressive, but he's a pretty fast guy, so his .249 average seems even worse than it is.

Him batting 2nd isn't THE reason they've lost a couple games recently, but when I seem him at the plate in the 9th I feel little confidence.

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#1931937 - 07/03/13 09:49 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Registered: 05/17/04
I know it's a big thing that Soren Petro and Rany bring up, but the #2 spot is absolutely critical if you're a championship calibur team.

And it's a spot that has killed the Royals for a long time (sans Melky Cabrera's breakout season).

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#1931944 - 07/03/13 09:57 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Registered: 11/07/09
Loc: Kansas
Not to pile on, but another thing that bugged me last night was Dyson not going 1st to 3rd on Gordon's liner to right. I knew from contact that it was a hit. NO WAY was it gonna get caught by 2nd baseman or right fielder. The play by play guy had just mentioned how great it was that the Royals fastest player was on 1st base. Dyson hesitated after Gordon hit the ball, and he ended up staying at 2nd. That stuff drives me nuts. No excuse for Dyson to not be on 3rd.

Of course, with Escobar whiffing right after that, it wouldn't have made a difference.

Gordon's Grand Slam was really great. I thought he might take the pitch, but he was aggressive on 3-0 and made the guy pay. The crowd and the team looked fired up. Too bad our bullpen blew the good vibes.

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#1931976 - 07/03/13 10:50 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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8th inning we have Johnson on 2nd with 0 outs and down one run.

How many times have we been in this situation this season and didn't get the run in. All of em?
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#1931982 - 07/03/13 11:02 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: jayhawklouie]
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Registered: 07/20/09
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Originally Posted By: jayhawklouie
Not to pile on, but another thing that bugged me last night was Dyson not going 1st to 3rd on Gordon's liner to right. I knew from contact that it was a hit. NO WAY was it gonna get caught by 2nd baseman or right fielder. The play by play guy had just mentioned how great it was that the Royals fastest player was on 1st base. Dyson hesitated after Gordon hit the ball, and he ended up staying at 2nd. That stuff drives me nuts. No excuse for Dyson to not be on 3rd.


I would much rather have runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out than have a runner on 1st with 2 outs. Dyson was running smart, the ball was hit so hard too that it got to the RF fast. Don't know if you saw the throw to 3rd the OF made, but it was a bullet and Dyson would have been out easily.
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#1931984 - 07/03/13 11:04 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: PHOGUSHER]
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Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Ok ...how about him getting more than 2 innings then...Really at sometime this year I knew either Guthrie, Davis, or Mendoza would start struggling. So you are saying Hochevar wouldnt be a better starting option than one of those 3 right now.


Houch is absolutely NOT a better starting option than any of those guys.

But I will say its about time to end the experiment of Davis starting until next year. But I would replace Davis with Will Smith before Houch.
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#1931999 - 07/03/13 11:36 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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hell no on Hoch starting ever again for us.

Mendoza isn't terrible, but Wade Davis is. Moore will have a hard time realizing Wade's home is in a bullpen also. I don't even know if he could be good in the pen again. His stuff just isn't that good.

I really like Lough and Gio playing though.

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#1932126 - 07/03/13 02:24 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: kylecof11]
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Registered: 11/07/09
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Originally Posted By: kylecof11

I would much rather have runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out than have a runner on 1st with 2 outs. Dyson was running smart, the ball was hit so hard too that it got to the RF fast. Don't know if you saw the throw to 3rd the OF made, but it was a bullet and Dyson would have been out easily.



Um, I don't agree. At all.

WHY is 1st and 2nd with one out better than 1st and 3rd with 1 out?

Had Dyson's brain instantly registered that Gordon's soft liner was gonna drop (which I was able to do watching on my TV), he'd have made it easy.

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#1932194 - 07/03/13 04:51 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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His point is that Dyson would have been thrown out at third because there was no time to react. So runners at 1st and 2nd, one out > runner at 1st with two outs. I was at the game, 15 rows back from home dugout. Gordon's liner was a rocket, Dyson was just being safe.

Biggest disappointment is Alcides continuing to shrink in big situations...especially with Tejada sitting there picking his nose.
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#1932234 - 07/03/13 05:39 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: jayheel]
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Registered: 11/07/09
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: jayheel
His point is that Dyson would have been thrown out at third because there was no time to react. So runners at 1st and 2nd, one out > runner at 1st with two outs. I was at the game, 15 rows back from home dugout. Gordon's liner was a rocket, Dyson was just being safe.

Biggest disappointment is Alcides continuing to shrink in big situations...especially with Tejada sitting there picking his nose.



On TV, Gordon's hit looked like a soft liner.

Either way, on TV you could see Dyson hesitate right after contact and look back to see if it might be caught. I don't know WHO Dyson thought was gonna have a chance at it.

But I agree about Escobar. It really is astounding that Yost wants to keep Escobar in the 2 hole. Yost may claim that he wants a righty between the 2 lefties. I'd just go with putting the best hitters at the top of the lineup.

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#1932411 - 07/04/13 08:45 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Registered: 12/17/09
Couldnt stay up for the whole game. Hope Gordon's ok. Looks like he may have a concussion is what I am hearing.

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#1932444 - 07/04/13 11:16 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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I heard that he has a right hip contusion and possible consussion symptoms. But he never lost consciousness. So thats good....
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#1932467 - 07/04/13 01:20 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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That was the wierdest looking injury ever seen, kind of fell on his butt and his head smacked the fence in a whiplash motion. Almost comical if he didnt really get hurt.
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#1932469 - 07/04/13 01:26 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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For a guy like Gordon to lay there motionless with the ball next to him while a guy runs around the bases for an in the park homer...I thought he was knocked out for sure.
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#1932488 - 07/04/13 03:24 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Crow phucking sucks

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#1932491 - 07/04/13 03:38 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: mtglite]
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This Hosmer guy must not know that he plays for the royals.
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#1932494 - 07/04/13 04:01 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Thanks Shields for getting blasted. real helpful to my fantasy team
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#1932495 - 07/04/13 04:03 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
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Originally Posted By: CrimsonNBlue
This Hosmer guy must not know that he plays for the royals.



I wonder what Armchair GM JFish thinks about Hosmer now?
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#1932496 - 07/04/13 04:06 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Registered: 12/17/09
Best game of the year? ??

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#1932500 - 07/04/13 04:29 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: mtglite]
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Gah, we shouldn't have let Tuesday slip away.
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#1932509 - 07/04/13 06:02 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: yoda]
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Registered: 03/17/05
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Originally Posted By: yoda
Originally Posted By: CrimsonNBlue
This Hosmer guy must not know that he plays for the royals.



I wonder what Armchair GM JFish thinks about Hosmer now?


I don't think I've been very negative on Hosmer.
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#1932514 - 07/04/13 06:25 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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I just assumed you had been, possibly in 2012
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#1932572 - 07/05/13 08:37 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
Too bad Mr. Indian Jayhawk 14 hasn't stopped by since Tuesday..

Great series for KC. Great series overall really. KC shouldn't have lost Tuesday, and Cleveland probably shouldn't have lost on Wednesday night/Thursday morning.

KC's guys just keep battling and they play with a lot of energy which will be helpful throughout July and August. I'm excited for a fun summer.
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#1932587 - 07/05/13 09:29 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Wow, pretty crazy series.

Great job by the boys taking the last two games of the series.

Hosmer is just raking right now....great to see.

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#1932592 - 07/05/13 09:38 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Registered: 07/20/09
Loc: Kansas
I picked Hosmer up on my fantasy league after Tex got injured again and he has been raking since.
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#1932600 - 07/05/13 09:58 AM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: rockchalker5]
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Jayhawks 14....calling Jayhawks 14...lol....Tribe fan went a hiding...In 10 games the Royals are 5-5 vs the Mistakes by the Lake.
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#1933323 - 07/07/13 06:18 PM Re: Indians @ Royals [Re: yoda]
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Originally Posted By: yoda
Thanks Shields for getting blasted. real helpful to my fantasy team


Hows that Everth Cabrera trade lookin right about now? wink
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