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#1906930 - 05/06/13 02:41 PM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Registered: 05/17/04
Shields looks downright nasty today.

I gotta be honest...I'm starting to come around on this trade.

Still way too early to decide who "won" the deal, but for now, I'm happy with the performance of Shields, and to a degree, Davis.

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#1906974 - 05/06/13 03:38 PM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Lets also remember that Shield usually goes against the other teams #1 SP, with this time against Chris Sale who only gave up 1 run and should be good enough to win any game with that line.


Once again, the Royals need to score more runs for this man and he could be on the pace for a Cy Young award.

Would you give up a prospect for a Cy Young winner?


Side note. Billy Butler will look and play like Adam Dunn in a few years. Trade him now while he has value.
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#1906981 - 05/06/13 03:48 PM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Shields with another game where he should have gotten a win...but won't.

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#1907034 - 05/06/13 05:42 PM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Shields should either punch Yost or Getz after that game...Yost for pulling him while he was cruising at about the 100 pitch mark with 3 outs to go..puts Holland in and he is junk....Getz boots the 3rd out at 2nd and allows White Sox to tie the game...Ahh hell punch them both. Yost is the only reason that this team might not be a sucess this season. I dont think much of his decision making so far this year...
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#1907073 - 05/06/13 07:07 PM Re: James Shields [Re: PHOGUSHER]
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Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Shields should either punch Yost or Getz after that game

Yost would be my vote. Question is: How much would I pay to see that?

Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Ahh hell punch them both.

Better idea. Getz is a hole in the lineup.

Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Yost is the only reason that this team might not be a success this season.

He's not the only reason. The Royals have too many holes in the lineup offensively to threaten Det-rot for the division unless Det-riot suffers some key injuries. I estimated the Yost penalty at 7 games for the season. Today was probably one of them. With replacement-level players in RF and at 2B, plus a first-half-of-2012 Moose, this team could overcome the Yost penalty.

Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
I dont think much of his decision making so far this year...

This isn't anything new with Ned. He simply doesn't have the aptitude to successfully manage a pitching staff or make other good in-game decisions.

Perhaps with the increased attention on the Royals this year, more will wake up to this realization. I made an out-on-a-limb prediction in the summer of 2010 (I'd seen enough) that the Royals will never make the playoffs with him as a manager. That's looking a little shaky so far this season, but I believe Ned's inner genius will take over and be the difference.
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#1907088 - 05/06/13 07:24 PM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Well thats just it...when I lived in the Atl I didnt pay attention to Neds bad decision making on a nightly basis because I had the Bravos. Since I am back here I am and its quite evident he is not a very good coach.


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#1907269 - 05/07/13 09:57 AM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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The Royals with their weak bats have little room for error. This pitching staff fortunately will keep them in most games but they cant afford for Yost to make constant guffaws like he did yesterday. Unless Shields told him he was done there was no reason to yank him.
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#1907285 - 05/07/13 10:34 AM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Registered: 11/07/09
Loc: Kansas
I think Yost's decision to put Holland in was a mistake. And his reasoning for doing it after the game is head-scratching. Basically, he didn't want Shields to risk getting a loss? I know a lifelong Brewers fan who absolutely despised Yost's managing style. I remember him telling me all the time that Yost tinkered too much, wasn't a good game manager, and that he was arrogant in pressers.

Joe Posnanski, as usual, has a good take. Here's the ending portion of JoePo's blog:


"Again, I’m not saying the decision was wrong. I’m saying that I would like to know why Ned Yost did it …and his explanation does not clarify things at all. If he did it for health reasons, because he noticed something, or for sound reasons he would rather not make public, hey, that’s part of the game too.

But he did not offer any of that in his explanation. And if he did it because he believes in push-button managing with a starter having his job, a closer having his job, a setup man having his job, a lefty specialist having his job, well, that’s not great. The Royals have a pretty good team here. Ned Yost has gotta raise his game."

http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2013/05/hes-either-going-to-win-it-or-lose-it.html

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#1907288 - 05/07/13 10:39 AM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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You need to establish a bullpen/closer. You can't always rely on your no. 1 to pitch the entire game--a system needs to be in place to allow for the specialists to try and do their job.

I'm fine with Yost pulling Shields there.

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#1907301 - 05/07/13 11:00 AM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Registered: 05/17/04
I'm ok with it, but be consistent. He had the same exact situation Saturday night with Guthrie, but decided to let Guthrie pitch the 9th.

If all things were the same (i.e. both guys still being fine and ready to go), then Yost should have let Shields atleast start the 9th.

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#1907321 - 05/07/13 11:28 AM Re: James Shields [Re: pwhittemore]
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Originally Posted By: pwhittemore
You need to establish a bullpen/closer.


Why?
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#1907325 - 05/07/13 11:34 AM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Registered: 11/07/09
Loc: Kansas
Yes, a closer needs to be established. Yes, a system needs to be established.

But there needs to be common sense for managers as well. Shields was dominating the Sox. He finished the 8th by picking off a runner at first. Shields had it going on. Big time.

It's only early May, but sweeping the Sox before going out East would be huge. Letting Shields close out a game and get a 1-0 win over Sale would huge for Shields' confidence.

Yes, bringing in Holland isn't the worst thing ever. But Yost's explanation afterwards might be. Yost said if they had a 2 or 3 run lead, maybe he'd have kept Shields in the game. Huh?

And as christgs80 points out, Guthrie got to go out in the 9th, having pitched just 4 less pitches than Shields.

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#1907359 - 05/07/13 12:47 PM Re: James Shields [Re: pwhittemore]
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Originally Posted By: pwhittemore
You need to establish a bullpen/closer. You can't always rely on your no. 1 to pitch the entire game--a system needs to be in place to allow for the specialists to try and do their job.

I'm fine with Yost pulling Shields there.


Yost should have let Shields start the 9th, and pulled if if he let anyone on.
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#1907360 - 05/07/13 12:49 PM Re: James Shields [Re: christgs80]
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Originally Posted By: christgs80
Shields looks downright nasty today.

I gotta be honest...I'm starting to come around on this trade.

Still way too early to decide who "won" the deal, but for now, I'm happy with the performance of Shields, and to a degree, Davis.


Makes no difference how Myers does if there is a winner in the deal. If Shields and Davis do what they were brought over to do, then it was a good deal.
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#1907368 - 05/07/13 01:10 PM Re: James Shields [Re: JFish26]
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Originally Posted By: JFish26
Originally Posted By: pwhittemore
You need to establish a bullpen/closer.


Why?


So Royals just plan on playing their starting guys 9 innings a game? Find out who your guys are and when they should pitch. It's early--I like trying to solidify a closer.

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