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#1901013 - 04/23/13 11:15 PM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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I'm sorry yoda, how old is James Shields?
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#1901019 - 04/24/13 12:13 AM Re: James Shields [Re: tyler]
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Originally Posted By: tyler
I'm sorry yoda, how old is James Shields?



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#1901021 - 04/24/13 12:18 AM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Thanks dude.
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#1901029 - 04/24/13 01:50 AM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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No problem re-verifying his age for you
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#1901039 - 04/24/13 04:25 AM Re: James Shields [Re: tyler]
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And to clarify, Shields being 31 isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most elite pitchers are still in the midst of their prime at this age. And to further clarify, I think Shields is an excellent pitcher.

But at the end of the day, Tampa Bay won this trade on the strength of coming away with the best overall player in the trade — a future (fill in the blank how many times) All Star
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#1901051 - 04/24/13 07:42 AM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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All the experts could totally be wrong. Baseball is very much a mental game. Myers could very easily never pan out. I doubt that happens but we ought not dismiss that possibility.
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#1901057 - 04/24/13 08:05 AM Re: James Shields [Re: yoda]
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Registered: 10/04/05
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Originally Posted By: yoda
And to clarify, Shields being 31 isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most elite pitchers are still in the midst of their prime at this age. And to further clarify, I think Shields is an excellent pitcher.

But at the end of the day, Tampa Bay won this trade on the strength of coming away with the best overall player in the trade — a future (fill in the blank how many times) All Star


Relax man. We had this conversation for at least a month when the trade happened.

We all think we got fleeced.
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#1901170 - 04/24/13 10:58 AM Re: James Shields [Re: JFish26]
Maximus Online   confused
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Originally Posted By: JFish26
...so in order to justify undoing the trade, I have to make a case based entirely on how the first three weeks of this one season went, in hindsight?


Yes.

You can use hindsight now, or base your case using foresight on James Shields career average statistics. This sounds reasonable and logical to me.

Good Luck. No shame to change your mind.
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#1901172 - 04/24/13 11:00 AM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Of course JFish26,

You don't have to do anything as its just a life choice, nor do you have to say anything as you are entitled to your 5th amendment rights as you know in your line of expertise.
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#1901174 - 04/24/13 11:04 AM Re: James Shields [Re: yoda]
Maximus Online   confused
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Originally Posted By: yoda
It depends on what your expectations of Shields are?

But unless KC wins a World Series with Shields as their ace, the Shields for Myers trade (yes, I know other players were involved) was not a very good one.

Essentially, a potential superstar was traded for a quality pitcher who happens to be 31.

Tampa Bay came away, clearly with the best overall player in the trade




What?

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#1901175 - 04/24/13 11:07 AM Re: James Shields [Re: yoda]
Maximus Online   confused
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Originally Posted By: yoda
But at the end of the day, Tampa Bay won this trade on the strength of coming away with the best overall player in the trade — a future (fill in the blank how many times) All Star


Can you also tell me what the future lottery numbers are?

How are you not a General Manager for a sports team with your psychic ability?
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#1901285 - 04/24/13 02:10 PM Re: James Shields [Re: Maximus]
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Registered: 03/06/09
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Let me break it down for you again Maximus. Myers will be a superstar — Shields is solid, but will never be a superstar. The Royals lost this trade. Hope that is clear enough for you
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#1901288 - 04/24/13 02:15 PM Re: James Shields [Re: yoda]
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Registered: 10/30/12
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Originally Posted By: yoda
Let me break it down for you again Maximus. Myers will be a superstar — Shields is solid, but will never be a superstar. The Royals lost this trade. Hope that is clear enough for you


One guy has been an All-Star and had successful career in MLB. The other guy has only had success in the minor leagues.

What am I missing here?

Please stop as you think your on a trolling roll and you are failing.

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#1901585 - 04/25/13 07:53 AM Re: James Shields [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
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Originally Posted By: CrimsonNBlue
Originally Posted By: yoda
And to clarify, Shields being 31 isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most elite pitchers are still in the midst of their prime at this age. And to further clarify, I think Shields is an excellent pitcher.

But at the end of the day, Tampa Bay won this trade on the strength of coming away with the best overall player in the trade — a future (fill in the blank how many times) All Star


Relax man. We had this conversation for at least a month when the trade happened.

We all think we got fleeced.


Speak for yourself, I don't feel that way at all.
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#1901586 - 04/25/13 07:56 AM Re: James Shields [Re: yoda]
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Originally Posted By: yoda
And to clarify, Shields being 31 isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most elite pitchers are still in the midst of their prime at this age. And to further clarify, I think Shields is an excellent pitcher.

But at the end of the day, Tampa Bay won this trade on the strength of coming away with the best overall player in the trade — a future (fill in the blank how many times) All Star


If the Royals window for success is probably 2 years, what good would it do for them to have Myers down in Omaha, and Hoch and Chen in the rotation. That is what it would be today if the trade didn't happen.
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