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#1691092 - 04/03/12 12:21 AM “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks
MarineHawk Offline
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Assuming, as is normal, our returning players with lots of PT in both 2011-12 and 2012-13 will improve, we could be as good or better at four positions next year.

* As much as I love TT this year, EJ may be better at the point next year.
* Senior Releford could be as good as or better than Junior EJ at the SG.
* Either (i) Freshman McLemore; (ii) RS Freshman White; or (iii) Sr. Young could be as good as Releford at the wing.
* Senior Withey should be better than junior Withey.

If so, we need some combination of Ellis, Traylor, and Young to play fairly-well at the PF.

Our team:

FRONT COURT
Jeff Withey / RS-Sr. / 7-0 / 235
Kevin Young / Sr. / 6-8 / 215
Perry Ellis / Fr. / 6-8 / 220 (Rivals #24)
Jamari Traylor / RS-Fr. / 6-7 / 230

WING
Andrew White / Fr. / 6-6 / 210 (Rivals #56)

GUARD/WING
Travis Releford / RS-Sr. / 6-5 / 207
Ben McLemore / RS-Fr. / 6-5 / 185 (Rivals #34)

GUARDS
Elijah Johnson / Sr. / 6-4 / 195
Naadir Tharpe / So. / 6-0 / 170

ALSO
Justin Wesley / RS-Jr. / 6-8 / 200
Zach Peters / Fr. / 6-9 / 235
Landen Lucas / Fr. / 6-8 / 240
Merv Lindsay / So. / 6-7 / 200

KEYS TO 2013 VICTORY:
1) At least two of the following three players need to be able to play well as a point/shooting guard: Tharpe, McLemore, Releford. At least one of them needs to be able to backup Johnson at the point. If not Tharpe, we’re going to have to go big unless Johnson plays 40 mpg, right?

2) Both Ellis and Traylor need to be a good PF, or Ellis has to be a great freshman PF.

3) White can contribute enough that Releford can play SG when needed.

It would help if McLemore and Traylor have matured well from working on the practice team this year to excel beyond what a typical freshman would--or if Wesley can make a leap somehow.

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#1691093 - 04/03/12 12:29 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: MarineHawk]
JK47 Offline
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Registered: 02/22/05
Loc: Washington
Releford absolutely cannot play SG. Look for Johnson to start the PG responsibilities and eventually Tharpe will be legit. Rele is locked in at the 3. BMac will be the dagger shooting SG at 6'5''.

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#1691094 - 04/03/12 12:33 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: JK47]
Vega Offline
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Registered: 12/05/09
Quote:

Releford absolutely cannot play SG.




I'm sorry, did you miss the OSU game?

He has it in him. Just like Trob can't carry the team because he gets in foul trouble, or Tyshawn can't carry the team because he turns it over.

It's in him. It just needs to be brought out. Rele is a 1000 point scorer .

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#1691095 - 04/03/12 12:38 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Vega]
TheWord Offline
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You think it'll take Tharpe a year to become consistent?
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#1691096 - 04/03/12 12:38 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Vega]
hawker00 Offline
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Registered: 07/03/06
Loc: New Jersey
I think Rele can play shooting guard, but he will help out more at the 3.

Tharpe could be key because it looks like a backup for EJ is needed

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#1691097 - 04/03/12 12:38 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Vega]
JK47 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 02/22/05
Loc: Washington
Quote:

Quote:

Releford absolutely cannot play SG.




I'm sorry, did you miss the OSU game?

He has it in him. Just like Trob can't carry the team because he gets in foul trouble, or Tyshawn can't carry the team because he turns it over.

It's in him. It just needs to be brought out. Rele is a 1000 point scorer .




Yea, at the wing. You know what a SG looks like? It's EJ, someone who can shoot. Rele is a pure wing.

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#1691098 - 04/03/12 12:39 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: JK47]
JK47 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 02/22/05
Loc: Washington
EJ played point some to:

a) Give Tyshawn a break

and,

b) Because Tharpe wasn't ready

EJ is a natural 2.

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#1691099 - 04/03/12 12:42 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: JK47]
Vega Offline
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Registered: 12/05/09
Dude, Rele can shoot. We recruited him as a shooting guard. He just likes to drive and that's what his leash is at. Give him open reign and he's good to go on the corners.

If Tharpe can run the point well, we are going to be sick.

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#1691100 - 04/03/12 07:24 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Vega]
ross52066 Offline
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Registered: 10/20/05
All I know is that HCBS will have a lot of fun (and maybe a few headaches) "re-tooling" this team for next season...that is, after the pain wears off and TROB decides if he's jumping or not.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked to learn that he decides to stay. Coming so close but no cigar, but knowing you could do it next year is exactly what kept that 2008 UNC team we put a beat down on together to come back and try it in 2009 and they rolled to the championship.

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#1691101 - 04/03/12 08:01 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: ross52066]
bigdub Offline
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I would think B Mac would play the 2 with Releford staying at the 3. White backing up Releford and Tharpe backing up the 1 and 2 guards. Young starting at the 4 and Withey at the 5. Of course perry could take the starting spot from young. Traylor playing a key back up role also. The other freshman big men might redshirt or get very limited time.
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#1691102 - 04/03/12 08:03 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: ross52066]
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TROB decides if he's jumping or not.

No decision to be made.

Nobody has ever had greater cause or greater opportunity.
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#1691103 - 04/03/12 08:04 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: bigdub]
elan71 Offline
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Loc: Fort Wayne, IN
Pretty accurate...I'll be surprised if we get another player signed but you're missing Adams on the list of also players.
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#1691104 - 04/03/12 08:08 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: ross52066]
TraditionKU Offline
Darwin

Registered: 05/02/11
Loc: Wasatch Range
Quote:

I honestly wouldn't be shocked to learn that he decides to stay. Coming so close but no cigar, but knowing you could do it next year is exactly what kept that 2008 UNC team we put a beat down on together to come back and try it in 2009 and they rolled to the championship.




wishful thinking?

i'm with you though, taking another crack at the post-season, and being the front-runner for POY next season....unless he matches, or exceeds this year though, his stock can't get much higher

sully lost out, imo, by not jumping last year...he was good this year, but his hype kinda died off....it'll be curious to see where he ends up in the first round...
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#1691105 - 04/03/12 08:18 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: TraditionKU]
elan71 Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 04/15/03
Loc: Fort Wayne, IN
I agree...wishful thinking. Maybe if he didn't have everything going on in his life he could make that decision but he needs the guaranteed money and staying for his senior year isn't guaranteed money.
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#1691106 - 04/03/12 08:25 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: elan71]
DCHawk1 Offline
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HCBS has already stated explicitly that one of his goals for the year was to ensure that Thomas didn't have to come back.


Done.
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#1691107 - 04/03/12 08:30 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: elan71]
InfiniteJ Offline
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In my mind, EJ will start at PG, at least early in the season (Tharpe could take over for him at some point which would slide EJ over to SG), Releford will start at SF, and McLemore will start at SG.

I'm actually pretty excited about next year...lots of good pieces...
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#1691108 - 04/03/12 09:57 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: InfiniteJ]
KUastrofunk Offline
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Registered: 08/28/05
Loc: Austin, TX
I really like this starting lineup. It doesn't give us a true point but Elijah and B-Mac makes for a huge backcourt:

Jeff Withey / Sr. / 7-0 / 235
Perry Ellis / Fr. / 6-8 / 220
Travis Releford / Sr. / 6-5 / 207
Ben McLemore / Fr. / 6-5 / 185
Elijah Johnson / Sr. / 6-4 / 195
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#1691109 - 04/03/12 10:18 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: KUastrofunk]
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Registered: 03/27/05
Peters will be in the mix.
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#1691110 - 04/03/12 10:36 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: KUastrofunk]
appyhawk Offline
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Looks about right to me funk, although I wouldn't be surprised at all if Traylor doesn't start over Ellis, at least split time. I also see a prominent role for Tharpe upcoming.

Speaking of "prominent role", the list of "also" guys, including White, Green(?), Lucas and Peters, are certainly going to be more than just "also" players, especially if we get a guy like Parker or Randle or ? for the incoming class.
If we learned anything from this yr it is that we MUST improve our scoring consistancy from the perimeter. BMac and the incoming frosh are guys who fit that MO.
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#1691111 - 04/03/12 10:40 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: appyhawk]
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Anrio Adams.
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#1691112 - 04/03/12 10:47 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Geezer]
InfiniteJ Offline
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Registered: 12/18/08
Loc: Straight outta Lecompton
Adams will be a wildcard, I'm not sure anyone knows what to expect of him...I hope he's as badass as some have described.
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#1691113 - 04/03/12 11:02 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Vega]
crttrrt Offline
John Brown

Registered: 02/19/05
Loc: Broken Arrow,OK
Quote:

Quote:

Releford absolutely cannot play SG.




I'm sorry, did you miss the OSU game?

He has it in him. Just like Trob can't carry the team because he gets in foul trouble, or Tyshawn can't carry the team because he turns it over.

It's in him. It just needs to be brought out. Rele is a 1000 point scorer .




He does have it in him. But can Self finally get it out of him after 5 years? He had that incredible 2 week stretch then the scoring stopped. It's all in his head. I don't know how many times he's passed up open shots or just hesitated to pull the trigger, but if he wants to play the 2 he can't do that anymore

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#1691114 - 04/03/12 11:09 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: crttrrt]
tman Offline
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Registered: 03/02/06
Releford reminds me of Keith Langford at times.. Seems to be a slasher.

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#1691115 - 04/03/12 11:33 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: InfiniteJ]
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Loc: Virginia
Quote:

Adams will be a wildcard, I'm not sure anyone knows what to expect of him...I hope he's as badass as some have described.




I'll admit almost complete ignorance about Adams. Is there any reason to believe that he would be the first ever unranked freshman guard to get significant PT at KU in at least a few decades?

Same question, different positions, for Lucas and Peters.

Are they likely to beat out any of the eight non-also guys above?

I just looked back, and during Self's nine years at KU, our ninth leading minute-getters each year have played an average of 8.56 minutes per game since 2003-04. I consider those mostly "alsos"--meaning they're generally not what makes the team win or lose many important games. I suspect that, if Adams, Lucas, or Peters will be impact players in 2012-13, they likely will have to beat out one or more of the eight non-also players listed above. Of course, I could be wrong, but I doubt Self is going to start playing 10 guys all about 20 minutes per game.

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#1691116 - 04/03/12 11:44 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: MarineHawk]
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Adams would have been rated more highly except he switched schools twice, and I think there was talk he was going to switch to class of 2013 for a while. The good west coast schools were offering. Hope he gets eligible and comes to KU.

But HCBS has been recruiting a juco guard from Idaho, and that makes me think Adams may be a longshot to be eligible next year.

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#1691117 - 04/03/12 11:45 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: MarineHawk]
silkamilkamonico Offline
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#1691118 - 04/03/12 11:49 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: KU7679]
silkamilkamonico Offline
John Brown

Registered: 06/10/10
Quote:

But HCBS has been recruiting a juco guard from Idaho, and that makes me think Adams may be a longshot to be eligible next year.




I really hope not. Adams has a lot of TT ability in him. He's freakishly long and exceptionally quick.

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#1691119 - 04/03/12 11:56 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: silkamilkamonico]
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Quote:

Unranked?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/67777/anrio-adams




I meant by Rivals: http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecrui...soBPdNX2xHSO5B4

And I'm not trying to be argumentative, but even by Scout, he appears to be graded but not "ranked": http://espn.go.com/college-sports//baske...rank/class/2012

Like said, I don't know much about the guy. Maybe he'll be as good as Chalmers his freshman year. But why would one think that? It's a sincere question. Why?

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#1691120 - 04/03/12 12:00 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: silkamilkamonico]
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Fans shouldn't be surprised if Withey tests the waters. I read somewhere he averaged .1 more blocks per 40 better than Davis. And, NBA teams would love to have a 7ftr shot blocker as a backup center. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
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#1691121 - 04/03/12 12:05 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: MarineHawk]
silkamilkamonico Offline
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Registered: 06/10/10
Rivals focuses on football, I don't even consider them anymore.

Scout seems to focus more on the top ranked players throughout the year and doesn't update information after.

Just an opinion, but I have become disapoointed at both Rivals and Scoutslack of attention to detail at players that become late bloomers or who are outside the high ranks.

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#1691122 - 04/03/12 12:14 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: FieldhouseMayhem]
TraditionKU Offline
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Quote:

Fans shouldn't be surprised if Withey tests the waters. I read somewhere he averaged .1 more blocks per 40 better than Davis. And, NBA teams would love to have a 7ftr shot blocker as a backup center. Wouldn't surprise me at all.




already said his plan is to return, fwiw
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#1691123 - 04/03/12 12:18 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: FieldhouseMayhem]
xapaktep Offline
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If Withey goes ... we'll have a serious hole up front ... I think he should stay and polish his offensive game, but I'm not him.
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#1691124 - 04/03/12 12:20 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: TraditionKU]
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Quote:

Quote:

Fans shouldn't be surprised if Withey tests the waters. I read somewhere he averaged .1 more blocks per 40 better than Davis. And, NBA teams would love to have a 7ftr shot blocker as a backup center. Wouldn't surprise me at all.




already said his plan is to return, fwiw




Indeed. J.Wright was going to graduate too.
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#1691125 - 04/03/12 12:25 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: FieldhouseMayhem]
KUastrofunk Offline
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It's in Withey's best interest to come back and I'm sure he will. Adding some bulk and some low post moves would do wonders for his draft stock.
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#1691126 - 04/03/12 12:26 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: FieldhouseMayhem]
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We'll find out shortly. I'd guess that everbody is back except Thomas.
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#1691127 - 04/03/12 12:29 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Geezer]
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For what it is worth, draft declaration has been moved up to april 13th, and 'testing the waters' or attending teams camps without agents is no longer an option.

Fukcing NCAA bastards.
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#1691128 - 04/03/12 12:31 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: SashasVodka]
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I thought that it was the 10th. But it will be shortly.
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#1691129 - 04/03/12 12:33 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Geezer]
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FWIW I think Withey comes back. I also think he has the potential to be the best post player we have had on both sides of the ball since I can remember.
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#1691130 - 04/03/12 12:37 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Geezer]
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Starting line-up
Johnson -- Tharpe
McLemore
Releford -- White
Ellis -- Traylor
Withey -- Young, Wesley (in a pinch)

Not seeing the court much:
Peters
Lucas
Lindsay

Note we have an opening for a walk-on or two - definitely looks like we need guards, which are easier to come by as walk-ons

Most intriguing line-up:
Johnson
Releford
Ellis (he can play the 3)
Traylor
Withey

That's a HUGE line-up, with two Seniors at G.
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#1691131 - 04/03/12 12:40 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: jgkojak]
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Young at Center? Hudy has some serious work to do
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#1691132 - 04/03/12 12:42 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Hawklin]
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no love for Peters? maybe i'm way off, but i can see him being more of a contributor than most everyone on here is giving him credit for...
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#1691133 - 04/03/12 12:42 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Hawklin]
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Quote:

Young at Center? Hudy has some serious work to do




I would think that Traylor would be more likely to back up Withey (though he also could play some time at the PF spot).

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#1691134 - 04/03/12 12:42 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: TraditionKU]
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Same with Lucas.
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#1691135 - 04/03/12 12:43 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Hawklin]
amorrison425 Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 01/30/12
What are everybody's thoughts on Anrio Adams?
Is he someone we can come in and possibly fill in as a backup for the 2?
Everything I read says he's pretty well built.
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#1691136 - 04/03/12 12:44 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: TraditionKU]
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Registered: 03/27/05
Quote:

no love for Peters? maybe i'm way off, but i can see him being more of a contributor than most everyone on here is giving him credit for...





My first post says as much. His muscle alone will get him on the court. His shot and play are a bonus after that.
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#1691137 - 04/03/12 12:52 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: TraditionKU]
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Quote:

no love for Peters? maybe i'm way off, but i can see him being more of a contributor than most everyone on here is giving him credit for...




Completely agree. He is quite strong. Solid rebounder and runs the floor well.
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#1691138 - 04/03/12 12:52 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Hawklin]
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Quote:

Quote:

no love for Peters? maybe i'm way off, but i can see him being more of a contributor than most everyone on here is giving him credit for...





My first post says as much. His muscle alone will get him on the court. His shot and play are a bonus after that.




yeah, i think we are in the minority though...
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#1691139 - 04/03/12 12:53 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: TraditionKU]
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I have been every offseason. Its a pretty bitchin party. Ill let the bouncer know youre in.
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#1691140 - 04/03/12 12:54 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: TraditionKU]
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I am pretty sure we'll be playing with Peters on the court quite a bit next year.
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#1691141 - 04/03/12 01:16 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: FieldhouseMayhem]
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I see a lot of love for a lot of incoming guys. Maybe it's all accurate, but who else among the upperclassmen, red-shirt freshmen (Traylor and McLemore), and White and Ellis, are going to sit then? At most, Self will give meaningful minutes to eight or nine players.

So, if Lucas, Peters, and Adams are going to be on that list, they have to replace at least two of these: Withey; Young, Ellis, Traylor, White, Releford, McLemore, Johnson, and Tharpe. That's the problem. Put one in, gotta take one out. We're not playing ten or eleven guys next year. At least two guys gotta sit a lot.

Quote:

FWIW I think Withey comes back. I also think he has the potential to be the best post player we have had on both sides of the ball since I can remember.




I love Withey, but I'm not sure that I would agree with the "both sides of the ball" comment. Lafrentz, Gooden, Collison, and Simien all averaged near or more-than 20 ppg at least one year in their careers, going back only 14 years. I could be wrong, but I don't expect 20 ppg from Withey next year.

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#1691142 - 04/03/12 01:21 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: MarineHawk]
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We'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.
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#1691143 - 04/03/12 01:21 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Geezer]
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No! I need this to be settled today.
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#1691144 - 04/04/12 12:37 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: WisconsinJayhawk]
Turner Offline
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Registered: 01/13/10
Withey won't be a huge scorer, but we won't need him to be with everyone we return and bring in.

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#1691145 - 04/04/12 12:44 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Turner]
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Registered: 05/19/11
Loc: NE
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Withey won't be a huge scorer, but we won't need him to be with everyone we return and bring in.




Withey will start stroking the 3 ball, we need a stretch 5!

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#1691146 - 04/04/12 02:20 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: silkamilkamonico]
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#1691147 - 04/04/12 02:25 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: FieldhouseMayhem]
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Registered: 12/02/07
Loc: North Dakota
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no love for Peters? maybe i'm way off, but i can see him being more of a contributor than most everyone on here is giving him credit for...




Completely agree. He is quite strong. Solid rebounder and runs the floor well.




I don't think it's that the kid can't play, I think it's because there are so many bodies up front next year that someone has to be left out. Withey and Ellis are givens. Young was impressive as the year went on so I'd call him the backup big for now. For Self's ideal rotation, that leaves one big. Traylor, Lucas, or Peters. Again, not that he can't contribute, it's just that there's so many others who also can.
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#1691148 - 04/04/12 02:35 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: NDballer13]
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Crimson & Blue Blood

Registered: 07/14/09
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no love for Peters? maybe i'm way off, but i can see him being more of a contributor than most everyone on here is giving him credit for...




Completely agree. He is quite strong. Solid rebounder and runs the floor well.




I don't think it's that the kid can't play, I think it's because there are so many bodies up front next year that someone has to be left out. Withey and Ellis are givens. Young was impressive as the year went on so I'd call him the backup big for now. For Self's ideal rotation, that leaves one big. Traylor, Lucas, or Peters. Again, not that he can't contribute, it's just that there's so many others who also can.




I wouldn't be surprised if the rotation didn't include Young. Self does not like playing defensive liabilities and he was one all year.
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#1691149 - 04/04/12 02:59 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: NDballer13]
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Registered: 06/10/10
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Unranked?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/67777/anrio-adams




A grade is not a ranking.




Does it really matter? Scout and Rivals "rankings" havent exactly been hitting on the majority of players the last few years either.

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#1691150 - 04/04/12 09:34 PM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: DCHawk1]
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Baby Jay

Registered: 03/27/12
Loc: Illinois
I agree with TraditionKU and others about Peters. He will see back up minutes unless HCBS wants him to red shirt. I also think we need Withey more than any other single player. His shot blocking will win us games that no one else can. At this early point in time I think if he gets hurt our best back up (based solely on recruiting videos) is Lucas. He's big enough and plays bigger than he is. I really like the attitude he shows when shot blocking. I think he enjoys it like "not this time kid".

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#1691151 - 04/05/12 12:07 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: MarineHawk]
Dubsix Offline
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Registered: 01/03/11
Loc: O.P. Kansas
I see the starting line like this:

pg: EJ
sg: Ben McLemore
sf: Travis Releford
pf: Perry Ellis
c: Jeff Withey

subs:
pg: Naadir Tharpe
sg:Andrew White
bigs: Jamari Taylor, Landen Lucas, Zach Peters.

Bit of a toss up on the bigs. Lots of talent to pull from. I agree that Peters will probably see some action, or HCBS might ask him to redshirt. I also agree that BS wont go more than 9 deep, if that, so lots of competition with the bigs.

What? No Kevin Young or Justin Wesley listed?
Nope. They were fill-ins for last year. With the large number of guys coming in at the same positions with more talent and more body mass, we wont see these two play. Heck BS didn't want to see them play this year, but he was low on options.

Christian Garrett, Niko Roberts and Merv Lindsay wont ever leave the bench unless we're up by 20. Actually, one of them will probably leave as we don't have room on the 15 man roster, unless we have a big redshirt.

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#1691152 - 04/05/12 07:10 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: Dubsix]
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Registered: 09/06/05
Loc: NYC
I think Kevin Young could start the season and Ellis eventually take over. KY will be in the rotation.

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#1691153 - 04/05/12 08:55 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: pwhittemore]
silkamilkamonico Offline
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Registered: 06/10/10
Young, Ellis, Withey, Traylor, Peters. Someone's going to sit.

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#1691154 - 04/05/12 09:07 AM Re: “Next Play”—2012-13 Jayhawks [Re: silkamilkamonico]
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Registered: 01/08/06
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You left off Lucas.
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