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#1519996 - 10/03/11 04:34 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: tyler]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/17/05
Loc: KC, MO
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Ok, I completely agree with you as far as the money metaphor goes. I had meant to mention the contract the Cain carries, but did make mention of contracts in my comment two posts before. I am a huge fan of Cain but would like to wait until maybe we could lock him up long term or maybe the Giants pay a portion of it.




Well, we have money to burn. Lots and lots of it. My bigger concern is trading away four years of cheap Butler for one year of Cain.
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#1519997 - 10/03/11 05:10 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 05/17/04
I agree with both of you....I should have mentioned I'd only do that deal if we had a pre-arranged contract extension waiting for Cain if we were to do such a trade.

I just think Melky is of course a perfect candidate to regress in a major way next season.

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#1519998 - 10/03/11 06:07 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Tee Y

Registered: 10/04/05
Loc: KC, MO
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Well, we have money to burn. Lots and lots of it.




And the fan base knows it.

Like I said above, don't trade just to trade.

But Glass is going to hear it in the papers and airwaves if we don't spend a little of it even if the criticism is misguided.
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#1519999 - 10/04/11 08:32 AM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/17/05
Loc: KC, MO
It hasn't stopped him before. I'm not saying that making no moves is the #1 option. But it might be #2 or #3.
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#1520000 - 10/04/11 10:52 AM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Tee Y

Registered: 10/04/05
Loc: KC, MO
My expected timetable was 2013, but watching the bats this summer is getting me anxious. Bringing up Hosmer a month earlier than expected didn't help my patience.
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#1520001 - 10/04/11 11:26 AM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/17/05
Loc: KC, MO
And people are understandably hot and bothered about adding a pitcher, but I just think there's a great chance that internal candidates might represent nearly as good of an upgrade as trade help, and they cost far less (in dollars and prospects).

I would look strongly at simply taking over someone else's bad deal. I'd take a chance on Lackey or Crawford in a second, for instance, and I'd see if Houston would just let Rodriguez go.
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#1520002 - 10/04/11 11:38 AM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
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Crimson & Blue Blood

Registered: 08/01/06
Loc: Hays, KS
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My expected timetable was 2013, but watching the bats this summer is getting me anxious. Bringing up Hosmer a month earlier than expected didn't help my patience.




Exactly! As fans, we see the production from this year (almost overlooking the fact we still lost 91 games) and the first impulse is to say "Go for it!", but the reality is we still need to be somewhat patient. We're getting closer, but most likely 2 years away from being a true contender for the division.
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#1520003 - 10/04/11 11:45 AM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: Merg311]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/17/05
Loc: KC, MO
Nah. Perfectly reasonable to think the Royals are a contender in 2012. The division stinks, and even with an entire rotation spot's worth of innings from Davies, Mazzaro, and O'Sullivan and only a partial year of several key players, the Royals were only outscored by 32 runs.

Fix one rotation spot and expect a Pythag W/L regression back toward the mean (the Royals should have won 7 more games than they did this year according to their run differential), and you're close enough to taste a meaningful September.
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#1520004 - 10/04/11 11:53 AM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Crimson & Blue Blood

Registered: 08/01/06
Loc: Hays, KS
I hope you're right fish. Obviously, our lineup is pretty well set moving forward, but the rotation is just so far from sufficient to be talking about winning the division, no matter how weak the central is.

I'm not sure who Detroit will have coming back, but if it takes 90 wins to win the division, I don't see the Royals being that team.
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#1520005 - 10/04/11 07:21 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: Merg311]
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Registered: 01/02/05
Loc: In the Corleone compound
I do not see the Royals doing it next year. '12 get over .500, '13 win the division.
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#1520006 - 10/05/11 09:44 AM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: jammahawk]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/17/05
Loc: KC, MO
Well...if you're over .500, you're competing in the Central.
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#1520007 - 10/05/11 10:08 AM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 05/17/04
You really don't have much respect for Detroit, do ya J?

They did win 95 games this year, and most of their core group is still young enough to make this not just a one-year thing.

I do agree .500 would seriously compete for 2nd place, but it'll take over 90 wins to win the division.

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#1520008 - 10/05/11 10:17 AM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: christgs80]
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Tee Y

Registered: 10/04/05
Loc: KC, MO
Detroit's record seemed to be better than what they actually were. They went on that little win streak that pushed that W column up.

The thing about being in a weak 5-team division, you're gonna win a lot of games against the bottom 2-3 teams.
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#1520009 - 10/07/11 12:31 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
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#1520010 - 10/07/11 04:54 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
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Registered: 01/30/09
Loc: Lawrence, Kansas
If the Royals can get one very good pitcher and another pretty good one, I see them winning 85 next year. Young players moving into their second season. Hitting and fielding was already very good.
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