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#1519951 - 09/27/11 12:53 PM What's the most you would give up for J. Shields?
CrimsonNBlue Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Loc: KC, MO
this was just on 810.

they mentioned Myers and Billy. I think I'd pull the trigger w/o little thought.
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#1519952 - 09/27/11 01:17 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
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Registered: 03/17/05
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Myers and Butler is really, really steep for a 30-year old good-but-not-great pitcher.
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#1519953 - 09/27/11 01:21 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Really? For a guy that automatically becomes our #1 starter? We'd be 1 pitcher away from chasing this division now.

TB's going to want a guy like Myers and major leaguer. There's no question I'd give up Myers and Cabrera, but that may not be enough.
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#1519954 - 09/27/11 01:34 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: CrimsonNBlue]
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Registered: 03/17/05
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Six years of Wil Myers alone is worth more than three of James Shields (at $7MM, $9MM, and then $12MM).

I'm not saying you don't move Myers. I'm saying you don't do it for for James Shields, who will be 30 next year and, while he is having an excellent season, is coming off a stinker in 2009 and a very pedestrian 2010.
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#1519955 - 09/27/11 01:52 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Why does everyone always want to trade Butler? He's worth more to the Royals now than any trade value K.C. could get back. And he's still only 25.

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#1519956 - 09/27/11 01:56 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Registered: 05/17/04
I agree with you Fish...I wouldn't trade for James Shields....I don't think he's a #1 starter, he's a #2 at best....and in my opinion that isn't worth a Myers and another prospect/full timer.

I personally would call Florida about Josh Johnson. We all know Florida is always cheap, and despite moving into a new stadium, I think that trend will continue.

I know he's injury-prone, and he's got a pretty lofty contract, but when he's right, he's a legitimate #1 starter, and honestly, I don't think we'd have to trade all that much to get him.

Maybe one of our pitching prospects (Lamb, Dwyer, Montgomery) and another mid-level prospect.

What do you think about that?

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#1519957 - 09/27/11 01:58 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: jnewell]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/17/05
Loc: KC, MO
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Why does everyone always want to trade Butler? He's worth more to the Royals now than any trade value K.C. could get back. And he's still only 25.




Because the perception is the Royals need to trade for a big-time starter, and no one wants to think about giving up a non-Butler core player (Gordon, Hosmer, Moustakas, etc.).
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#1519958 - 09/27/11 02:04 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Makes sense in theory. I just think Butler's actual production will always outweigh his trade value because people will always focus on what he can't do.

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Why does everyone always want to trade Butler? He's worth more to the Royals now than any trade value K.C. could get back. And he's still only 25.




Because the perception is the Royals need to trade for a big-time starter, and no one wants to think about giving up a non-Butler core player (Gordon, Hosmer, Moustakas, etc.).



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#1519959 - 09/27/11 02:05 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: jnewell]
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Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/17/05
Loc: KC, MO
And, of course, his is a very limited trade market.
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#1519960 - 09/27/11 02:06 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: jnewell]
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Wish the Royals would turn some of their bullpen arms to starters. Surely out of Soria, Holland and Montgomery they could find two starters to go with Hoch, Paulino and Duffy.

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#1519961 - 09/27/11 02:06 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Only AL teams, I would think.

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And, of course, his is a very limited trade market.



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#1519962 - 09/27/11 02:08 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Registered: 08/01/06
Loc: Hays, KS
Let's be honest, the Royals aren't gonna go out and trade for a true #1, maybe not even a true #2. They'll go find a retread, someone who is a #3 at best, which means they'll be a #1 of our staff. If they do this through trade they won't give away too much, and if they go through free agency they'll overpay.
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#1519963 - 09/27/11 02:22 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: Merg311]
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JFish Can you think of a trade that would make sense for the Royals? I still think the Braves are the best fit with all their pitching.

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#1519964 - 09/27/11 02:58 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: jnewell]
JFish26 Offline
Max Falkenstien

Registered: 03/17/05
Loc: KC, MO
Greinke? (Mostly kidding. But don't be shocked if that's Rany's next hypothesis.)

Chad Billingsley? Matt Cain? Mike Pelfrey? Matt Garza?

Buy low on John Lackey?
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#1519965 - 09/27/11 03:46 PM Re: What's the most you would give up for J. Shields? [Re: JFish26]
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Registered: 10/04/05
Loc: KC, MO
I've heard Billingsley's name thrown around too. Also heard (shudder) Zambrano's name come up.

I understand Shields' age and his last 2 seasons. But to answer the #1 pitcher question, the numbers he put up this year aren't Cy Young numbers, but they're #1 pitcher numbers
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