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#147842 - 06/18/07 08:09 PM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: jammahawk]
WeDontNeedRush Offline
John Brown

Registered: 04/29/07
Loc: Boulder, CO
Wow you people must be batsh*t crazy. So getting a death threat is the new litmus for being under pressure? You're off your rocker, kiddo. This just kills me, to be honest. You sentamentalists need a bit of a reality check. Oh that poor Maris, under so much pressure! Haha

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#147843 - 06/18/07 08:23 PM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: jammahawk]
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Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
154 Ruth v. 162 Maris.

All i'm sayin on a sidebar note is that Ruth would of smashed 61 had he had 8 extra games and around 30-40 more at bats.

But yeah, Maris was the rightful owner of the record before Bonds beat it. He still gets madd respect from me no doubt. Maris had a fabulous season and was on point that year.

And the fact that he was with The Yankees.

Here is a few salaries from that year.

1961 New York Yankees

Mickey Mantle $75,000.00
Yogi Berra $65,000.00
Roger Maris $42,000.00
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#147844 - 06/18/07 09:40 PM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: jammahawk]
tyler Offline
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Registered: 01/30/07
Loc: Lawrence
73

Innocent until proven guilty! Im saying Barry Bonds has it until they prove that he used steroids or some sorta of enhancement.
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#147845 - 06/18/07 10:10 PM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: tyler]
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Registered: 09/01/04
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Agreed. The record is 73.

Steroids or not, baseball thrived during the Sosa-McGwire home run race. They asked for it and they got it. Baseball decided that they wanted to lie down with the dogs and sell their souls for the advertising dollars. Now they have to deal with the fleas.

I think 61 was legit. The rest of it is dirty. Dirty, but legal.

Show me anywhere in the rules of baseball that says that steroids were banned from the game. Until the big-wigs of baseball decide to take a stand, it will be 73.

And it will remind everyone of a time when the game was exciting. Exciting and extremely dirty.
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#147846 - 06/18/07 10:39 PM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: WeDontNeedRush]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 01/28/03
Loc: Overlook Hotel
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Wow you people must be batsh*t crazy. So getting a death threat is the new litmus for being under pressure? You're off your rocker, kiddo. This just kills me, to be honest. You sentamentalists need a bit of a reality check. Oh that poor Maris, under so much pressure! Haha




I could be wrong, but if someone sent me a death threat because of something I was doing on my job, I think my stress would increase, and I think the pressure to keep doing what I was would increase.

Sosa and McGwire had nightly blow jobs by the media. Maris was in New York and ripped by the media daily. Even his own teammates wanted Mantle to break the record. He was booed when he hit home runs, while Sosa and McGwire were cheered in visiting ball parks. Opposing fans booed their own pitchers for throwing balls and walking the two. McGwire and Sosa were breaking a record hit by a non-Hall of Fame player. Maris was out to break the record of a man who may still be considered the greatest ever, a man who was loved not just in New York, but in every baseball city.

As far as Maris having eight extra games, I'd have to do some research to confirm this, but I thought Maris acutally had fewer plate appearances in 1961 than Ruth did in 1927.
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#147847 - 06/19/07 07:08 AM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: jaihaux]
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Registered: 01/02/05
Loc: In the Corleone compound
Maris had 590 plate appearances and Ruth had 540. But that does not matter. The record is for total of homeruns for the duration of the season.
There are so many other factors that can go into a homerun total, such as how the ball is made, size of the ballparks, how high the mound is. The fact is, Maris hit 61 and Ruth hit 60.
Ruth missed three games in '27, if he had played in them maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion, but he didn't.
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#147848 - 06/19/07 07:11 AM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: jaihaux]
jdavis34 Offline
Pure Jayhawk

Registered: 02/15/07
Loc: Lawrence, KS
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Wow you people must be batsh*t crazy. So getting a death threat is the new litmus for being under pressure? You're off your rocker, kiddo. This just kills me, to be honest. You sentamentalists need a bit of a reality check. Oh that poor Maris, under so much pressure! Haha




I could be wrong, but if someone sent me a death threat because of something I was doing on my job, I think my stress would increase, and I think the pressure to keep doing what I was would increase.

Sosa and McGwire had nightly blow jobs by the media. Maris was in New York and ripped by the media daily. Even his own teammates wanted Mantle to break the record. He was booed when he hit home runs, while Sosa and McGwire were cheered in visiting ball parks. Opposing fans booed their own pitchers for throwing balls and walking the two. McGwire and Sosa were breaking a record hit by a non-Hall of Fame player. Maris was out to break the record of a man who may still be considered the greatest ever, a man who was loved not just in New York, but in every baseball city.

As far as Maris having eight extra games, I'd have to do some research to confirm this, but I thought Maris acutally had fewer plate appearances in 1961 than Ruth did in 1927.


Couldn't say it better.

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#147849 - 06/19/07 08:16 AM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: jammahawk]
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Lawrence Legend

Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
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Maris had 590 plate appearances and Ruth had 540. But that does not matter. The record is for total of homeruns for the duration of the season.
There are so many other factors that can go into a homerun total, such as how the ball is made, size of the ballparks, how high the mound is. The fact is, Maris hit 61 and Ruth hit 60.
Ruth missed three games in '27, if he had played in them maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion, but he didn't.




Forget bigger ball parks, higher mounds, balls that bounce off your chin or whatever else that has been modified. If they changed the rules now and stretched the season from 162 to 170 then how would we react to it?

Since Ichiro has the record for hits in a season with 262 how fair is it if in 2012 there were a total of 170 games played and someone edged him out by 1 hit to take the record? These five players who are 2,3,4 and 5 respectivly would of shattered that record had the rules stayed the same at 154 games:


George Sisler 257 1920
Lefty O'Doul 254 1929
Bill Terry 254 1930
Al Simmons 253 1925


It wasnt like Ruth missed 8 games cause he was in Disneyland or something. He missed them cause they were never there.
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#147850 - 06/19/07 08:38 AM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: JHAWX75]
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Registered: 01/02/05
Loc: In the Corleone compound
Personally, I wouldn't react any differently to a 170 game season. The players play the games that their name is on the lineup card. The season is a marathon and many things happen durring the course of the season that have an effect on stats.
Maybe if Ruth didn't fill himself up on hot dogs and beer, he would have played in the three games he missed in '27.
The only injustice to lifetime statistics that I see, are guys like Ted Williams, Warren Spahn, Hank Greenberg and Joe DiMaggio that had chunks taken out of their careers because of WWII and Korean war service. We're talking 3-4-5 years. Now those guys have a legit gripe.
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#147851 - 06/19/07 10:24 AM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: JHAWX75]
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Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 01/28/03
Loc: Overlook Hotel
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Maris had 590 plate appearances and Ruth had 540. But that does not matter. The record is for total of homeruns for the duration of the season.
There are so many other factors that can go into a homerun total, such as how the ball is made, size of the ballparks, how high the mound is. The fact is, Maris hit 61 and Ruth hit 60.
Ruth missed three games in '27, if he had played in them maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion, but he didn't.




Forget bigger ball parks, higher mounds, balls that bounce off your chin or whatever else that has been modified. If they changed the rules now and stretched the season from 162 to 170 then how would we react to it?

Since Ichiro has the record for hits in a season with 262 how fair is it if in 2012 there were a total of 170 games played and someone edged him out by 1 hit to take the record? These five players who are 2,3,4 and 5 respectivly would of shattered that record had the rules stayed the same at 154 games:


George Sisler 257 1920
Lefty O'Doul 254 1929
Bill Terry 254 1930
Al Simmons 253 1925


It wasnt like Ruth missed 8 games cause he was in Disneyland or something. He missed them cause they were never there.




Ruth also didn't play against black players, play in night games, fly coast to coast or play against specialized pitchers.
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#147852 - 06/19/07 11:26 AM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: jaihaux]
JHAWX75 Offline
Lawrence Legend

Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
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Maris had 590 plate appearances and Ruth had 540. But that does not matter. The record is for total of homeruns for the duration of the season.
There are so many other factors that can go into a homerun total, such as how the ball is made, size of the ballparks, how high the mound is. The fact is, Maris hit 61 and Ruth hit 60.
Ruth missed three games in '27, if he had played in them maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion, but he didn't.




Forget bigger ball parks, higher mounds, balls that bounce off your chin or whatever else that has been modified. If they changed the rules now and stretched the season from 162 to 170 then how would we react to it?

Since Ichiro has the record for hits in a season with 262 how fair is it if in 2012 there were a total of 170 games played and someone edged him out by 1 hit to take the record? These five players who are 2,3,4 and 5 respectivly would of shattered that record had the rules stayed the same at 154 games:


George Sisler 257 1920
Lefty O'Doul 254 1929
Bill Terry 254 1930
Al Simmons 253 1925


It wasnt like Ruth missed 8 games cause he was in Disneyland or something. He missed them cause they were never there.




Ruth also didn't play against black players, play in night games, fly coast to coast or play against specialized pitchers.




In '27 New York traveled to Philadelphia, Washington, Boston, Chicago, St.Louis, Detroit, and Cleveland.

In '61 they traveled to Baltimore, Detroit, Washington, Minnesota, Los Angelas,K.C, Cleveland, and Boston.

Ruth's traveling back in 1927 was probablly more difficult than Maris' in 1961.

Night games were considered a luxury for the daytime player.

Tell me then, what lights-out black pitchers did Maris face in '61?
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#147853 - 06/19/07 12:02 PM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: JHAWX75]
jammahawk Offline
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Registered: 01/02/05
Loc: In the Corleone compound
One thing they both had in common, they were left handed hitters, that played in a ball park with a right field fence that has a little league distance.
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#147854 - 06/19/07 03:16 PM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: JHAWX75]
jaihaux Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 01/28/03
Loc: Overlook Hotel
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Tell me then, what lights-out black pitchers did Maris face in '61?




I didn't say black pitchers. I said black players.
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#147855 - 06/19/07 03:45 PM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: jaihaux]
JHAWX75 Offline
Lawrence Legend

Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
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Tell me then, what lights-out black pitchers did Maris face in '61?




I didn't say black pitchers. I said black players.




Right, and we are talking home runs not trying to steal second base on Josh Gibson.

What would a black position player other than a pitcher have to do with Ruth and his home runs?
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#147856 - 06/19/07 03:47 PM Re: 61 or 73? [Re: JHAWX75]
larryb Offline
Gutter

Registered: 05/02/07
Loc: Work
Here is something to ponder.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadaharu_Oh
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