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#14235 - 10/25/06 09:22 PM Big XII Championships
rockymtnjhawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/08/02
Loc: Colorado
Almost no chatter on this board at all this fall. Is anyone going to take the day off and go watch the Big XII Championship? I am planning on driving out for it. We are supposed to get some snow, so that might make it interesting. Wish me luck.

Parker, CO
Tonight: Rain and snow showers this evening, becoming all snow, possibly heavy overnight. Becoming windy. Low 32F. Winds N at 20 to 30 mph. Snow accumulating 3 to 5 inches. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.
Tomorrow: Windy. Snow during the morning followed by a few snow showers during the afternoon. High 38F. Winds NNW at 25 to 35 mph. 2 to 4 inches of snow expected. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.
Tomorrow night: Fair skies. Low 27F. Winds WNW at 10 to 20 mph.

#14236 - 10/26/06 08:23 AM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: rockymtnjhawk]
kmcg Offline
John Brown

Registered: 06/27/03
Loc: Brooklyn, New York
Here is a combined list of the Big XII competitors at the Pre-NCAA meet two weeks ago, as well as hypothetical team scoring.

1) Colorado -- 27
2) Kansas -- 65
3) OSU -- 76
4) ISU -- 102
5) mizzou -- 107
6) TAMU -- 155
7) Baylor -- 171

1 Stephen Pifer Colorado 23:48.4
2 Paul Hefferon Kansas 23:50.0
3 Billy Nelson Colorado 23:50.3
4 Colby Wissel Kansas 23:52.1
5 Brent Vaughn Colorado 23:53.0
6 David Jankowski Oklahoma State 24:02.8
7 Kiel Uhl Iowa State 24:03.2
8 James Strang Colorado 24:05.7
9 Benson Chesang Kansas 24:09.1
10 Erik Heinonen Colorado 24:11.8
11 Guor Majak Iowa State 24:23.9
12 Tim Ross Missouri 24:27.4
13 Garett Jeffries Missouri 24:30.9
14 Alejandro Ruiz Oklahoma State 24:31.2
15 Bradley Harkrader Colorado 24:32.7
16 Daniel Watts Oklahoma State 24:35.7
17 Brian Ehlis Oklahoma State 24:36.5
18 Brian McKinstry Texas A&M 24:37.1
19 Bo Price Baylor 24:42.7
20 Pete Janson Colorado 24:42.9
21 Dan Hedgecock Missouri 24:50.7
22 Erik Sloan Kansas 24:51.6
23 Breshears Michael Oklahoma State 24:52.0
24 David Rotich Iowa State 24:52.5
25 Mitch Bible Texas A&M 24:53.5
26 Rob Morrow Baylor 24:53.7
27 Kevin Born Iowa State 24:54.3
28 Matt French Kansas 25:00.4
29 Matt Barnes-Smith Oklahoma State 25:00.5
30 Colten Green Missouri 25:06.9
31 Tim Cornell Missouri 25:08.1
32 Michael Barrows Missouri 25:08.2
33 Jayden Russ Iowa State 25:08.6
34 Patrick McGowan Kansas 25:08.6
35 Jacob Jones Baylor 25:10.1
36 David Hebert Texas A&M 25:10.4
37 Andrew Montes Texas A&M 25:12.4
38 David Pomies Oklahoma State 25:13.9
39 John Machemehl Texas A&M 25:15.5
40 Joe Sauvageau Texas A&M 25:15.9
41 Daniel Fadgen Iowa State 25:23.6
42 Tyler Kelly Kansas 25:26.7
43 Billy Bell Missouri 25:32.8
44 Rey Hinojosa Baylor 25:39.0
45 Brandon Rooney Iowa State 25:39.3
46 Kevin Ondrasek Texas A&M 26:00.2
47 Ben Haby Baylor 26:03.9
48 Jordan Hiller Baylor 26:11.4

Note that Oklahoma State is missing two of their top five, who, had they run at their normal levels, would have put them ahead of KU. If they are healthy and simply were heald out of Pre-Nats for resting or minor aches and pains, they'll be tough to beat for second (assuming CU has 1st sewn up). The race for second still looks to be between KU, OSU, and UT. UT is the wild card, as they looked like a contender for the title on paper in the pre-season and certainly have the talent, but have not impressed on the course. Their only test, however, was last month in Oregon (where they cratered). Otherwise, they've gone the Wisconsin route and basically run half their team in various low-key meets that are essentially time trials.

None of the other teams that did not attend Pre-Nats (TTU, NU, KSU, OU) are likely to threaten for a top-5 spot.

Edited by kmcg (10/26/06 08:25 AM)

#14237 - 10/26/06 02:09 PM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: rockymtnjhawk]
byteme Offline
Big Dipper

Registered: 05/12/06
Looks like it may be a little slippery at the rock tomorrow. Friday's forecast but the temp. will be just about perfect.

Drive safely rocky.

#14238 - 10/26/06 02:43 PM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: rockymtnjhawk]
kufirst Offline
Phog Fanatic

Registered: 05/01/05
Loc: Kansas
I'll be there bright and early. 'Everyday is a great day to run' as my coach used to say. Unless Benson shows up to run, I say CU comes away with another title.
"When you beat a program that’s had a dynasty like Nebraska, you know something’s up." - Jake Sharp

#14239 - 10/26/06 03:10 PM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: kufirst]
kmcg Offline
John Brown

Registered: 06/27/03
Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Unless Benson shows up to run, I say CU comes away with another title.

Chesang-Heff-Wissell could go 1-2-3 and KU would likely not beat CU. The Buffs are that deep.

#14240 - 10/26/06 08:26 PM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: kmcg]
rockymtnjhawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/08/02
Loc: Colorado
Yes, that is the problem. We just aren't as deep as CU. If we could get a couple more we would be there. I would be stoked if we got second.

They opened the road. So, it looks like I am about to pull an all-nighter to get there.

#14241 - 10/26/06 11:31 PM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: kmcg]
kufirst Offline
Phog Fanatic

Registered: 05/01/05
Loc: Kansas
You are right. Colorado will get all 7 in top 25. I have to think that having it at home would help KU a lot, but the Buffs are in the Rockies and with elevation.
"When you beat a program that’s had a dynasty like Nebraska, you know something’s up." - Jake Sharp

#14242 - 10/27/06 08:40 AM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: kufirst]
kmcg Offline
John Brown

Registered: 06/27/03
Loc: Brooklyn, New York

You are right. Colorado will get all 7 in top 25. I have to think that having it at home would help KU a lot, but the Buffs are in the Rockies and with elevation.

Home course at Rim Rock will only help against teams who tend to go out very fast and underestimate the effects of the later hills. CU is not one of those teams. You'll see the majority of their squad mid-back of the pack for the first 800m.

I'd also argue that altitude has (almost) nothing to do with CU's success. Take a look at the high school accomplishments of the Buffs versus anyone else in the league. Only UT really comes close to the amount of elite high school talent that CU has on their squad. Of current Jayhawks, only Colby and maybe Benson, Heff, or frosh Imgrund likely would have been recruited heavily by CU. All of CU's top-7 were national recruits. It's like comparing the the talent on KU's basketball team with Iowa State's.

#14243 - 10/27/06 09:52 AM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: kmcg]
byteme Offline
Big Dipper

Registered: 05/12/06

It's like comparing the the talent on KU's basketball team with Iowa State's.

Itching for a fight with Iowaboy?

#14244 - 10/27/06 12:32 PM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: byteme]
kmcg Offline
John Brown

Registered: 06/27/03
Loc: Brooklyn, New York
Wissel victory confirmed via

Edited by kmcg (10/27/06 12:39 PM)

#14245 - 10/29/06 06:32 PM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: kmcg]
rockymtnjhawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/08/02
Loc: Colorado
It was fun watching a KU guy round the corner and finish with a win. I think many of those that were there were pretty happy about it too.

#14246 - 01/10/07 12:56 PM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: rockymtnjhawk]
Ike Offline
Tigger Hater

Registered: 11/04/06
Loc: Indiana
How did we finish???
Good better best, never let it rest until your good is better and your better is best!

#14247 - 01/12/07 07:59 PM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: Ike]
rockymtnjhawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 10/08/02
Loc: Colorado
Third, just missed second. CU way ahead in 1st.

#1965179 - 05/08/14 10:58 AM Re: Big XII Championships [Re: rockymtnjhawk]
jalarcon Offline
Baby Jay

Registered: 05/06/14
Loc: California usa
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