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#1352699 - 01/31/11 02:07 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? * [Re: kuwins]
Morgansraider Offline
Why...So...Serious????

Registered: 02/24/05
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I want Mulkey...it's Kansas or Baylor come on...new AD go after her and show her the money




No offense, but STFU! We aren't in a financial position to throw more cash after a nonrevenue sport. We need to focus in the next 5-10.

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#1352700 - 01/31/11 02:32 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: Morgansraider]
58hawk Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 12/16/09
Loc: KCMO
It would be a revenue sport if we had a decent program and coach. How many did they draw in the NIT last year? This is a basketball school so yes it would get great support if we had a winner.
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#1352701 - 01/31/11 03:26 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: 58hawk]
pwhittemore Offline
Satellite Coords Mod

Registered: 09/06/05
Loc: NYC
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It would be a revenue sport if we had a decent program and coach. How many did they draw in the NIT last year? This is a basketball school so yes it would get great support if we had a winner.




Duke has been a very successful women's program. They reported a deficit of almost 3 million dollars in 2009-2009, a year they finished 6th in the country. The same with Auburn, who also reported an almost 3 million dollar deficit. The same with Texas A&M. Come on people.

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#1352702 - 01/31/11 03:29 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: pwhittemore]
tmcats Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/08/02
Loc: reservation lake, mn
some of that is how one allocates money. costing is not an exact science.

and i'm sure ku wbb generates revenue. 'non-revenue generating sport' is a misnomer if ever one was written. emaw.
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#1352703 - 01/31/11 03:39 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: tmcats]
pwhittemore Offline
Satellite Coords Mod

Registered: 09/06/05
Loc: NYC
keep clinging to your reality.

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#1352704 - 01/31/11 03:43 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: pwhittemore]
jayhawk1996 Offline
Pure Jayhawk

Registered: 09/10/08
Loc: Dallas, Texas
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keep clinging to your reality.



Or just find the facts. It's easy. And fun!
In 2008-09, both KSU and KU ran deficits on women's hoops, and KSU's basketball programs combined to lose $701,708.
KU's women's program lost more than 3 million that year, tops in the nation. Also in the Top 10? aTm and Oklahoma, the latter of which outdraws its men's team.

http://www.allbasketballreview.com/top-12-largest-deficits-for-womens-basketball-programs

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#1352705 - 01/31/11 03:46 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: jayhawk1996]
tmcats Offline
Wilt Chamberlain

Registered: 09/08/02
Loc: reservation lake, mn
again, it's how the costs are allocated. attendance at state is far better, perhaps, than at the flag, but not $3mm better. and altho bonnie is way overpaid based on her lack of results, it does not dent $3mm.

for example, you could pump enough of that license money into bonnie's program to make it net out. you don't. but you could. emaw.
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#1352706 - 01/31/11 03:54 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: tmcats]
pwhittemore Offline
Satellite Coords Mod

Registered: 09/06/05
Loc: NYC
an average of 4,000!!! @ around 8 dollars a ticket! cha-ching! ewaw!

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#1352707 - 01/31/11 03:58 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: tmcats]
prairiehawk Offline
Big Dipper

Registered: 07/27/10
Loc: KS
onlyone - NO NO NO. You are not correct. That is NOT how we got HCBH. Lew P talked to a select few who gave him their ideas. He wanted an east coast person (who didn't know jack crap about the midwest and KU) because that is what he was comfortable with. HCBH had some success on the EAST COAST and was considered a coach on the rise, but she was not considered a big name, big time coach!!
Further she DID NOT get the big bucks until later on (so as to match up somewhat with HCBS). Many people assumed that LP would bring in the UCON coach, well that did might have worked pretty good, but it did happen. Lastly, if you have the idea that she recruits well, you must have one heck of a low standard for even acceptable recruiting. Her recruiting is about one step above her coaching ability, and we all know how good that is.

My main point here is that we need (make that must have) KU people to advise the AD who do not have an agenda or personal crusade to get a good ole buddy in as coach. If the powers to be want to be big time then, THEY MUST SPEND THE BIG DOLLARS AND GET A BIG TIME COACH THAT KNOWS THE MID-WEST, BIG 12, AND KU. If you don't get that, then you do not understand what it will take to be successful. Any thing short of that will be simply a shot in the dark (small time chance in hell to succeed)! Anything less would be similar to what KU did in football with Terry Allen.

Remember one simple rule: To make money you must spend money. If you want a big time, big money making program then you MUST pay for it. Or you can pay very little and continue to have a failed women's basketball proram here at KU, or to put it any way it will become a typical - 5 P Program (Piss Poor Penny Pinching Project). See how much that will bring in money and fan wise.


Edited by prairiehawk (01/31/11 04:07 PM)

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#1352708 - 01/31/11 04:02 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: prairiehawk]
jayhawk1996 Offline
Pure Jayhawk

Registered: 09/10/08
Loc: Dallas, Texas
I don't get the east coast thing. Yes, Va Tech is in the east, but not exactly on the coast. BH was born and raised in Minnesota, played college ball in Minnesota, and was an assistant at Iowa. That's about as Midwest as it gets. Upper Midwest, but still Midwest.
I agree that Lew asked who the best coach was and kept hearing Bonnie's name, then overpaid her. Sound familiar?

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#1352709 - 01/31/11 04:20 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: jayhawk1996]
prairiehawk Offline
Big Dipper

Registered: 07/27/10
Loc: KS
I know where he came from and where he played (and also AD at WSU when they dropped the football program), but as a successful AD, his experience and contacts were on the east coast, especially with the women's bb and the building of a football program (UCONN). And if she would have been successful, you would be ready to say she is not overpaid (probably give her a raise).

Lew Perkins was one heck of a business man, and business people understand you get what you pay for. Be cheap you get cheap, there are very, very, very few bargains in the world of sports anymore, those days are dead, gone, and buried. Today, you put up or shut up, there is no in-betweeners. YOU MUST SPEND BIG BUCKS TO GET GREATNESS AND SPEND EVEN BIGGER BUCKS TO KEEP GREATNESS OR YOU SETTLE FOR BEING A BOTTOM FEEDER IN THE CONFERENCE - PERIOD! I truly do not mean to be harsh or a jerk my fellow Jayhawk, just stating how it is these days (pathetic, money-hungry, greedy times).


Edited by prairiehawk (01/31/11 04:24 PM)

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#1352710 - 01/31/11 04:23 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: prairiehawk]
jayhawk1996 Offline
Pure Jayhawk

Registered: 09/10/08
Loc: Dallas, Texas
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And if she would have been successful, you would be ready to say she is not overpaid (probably give her a raise).




Agreed - but she has not been successful in Big 12 play, yet she got a hefty raise in 2007 and a contract extension in 2009:

May 10 Women's basketball coach Bonnie Henrickson receives a two-year extension and raise that increases her total compensation from $380,000 yearly to $635,000.

Aug. 13 _ Women's basketball coach Bonnie Henrickson receives a three-year contract extension through the 2013-14 season.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/06/10/1354054/lew-perkins-through-the-years.html#ixzz1CeciYhoc

I understand that you have to pay for quality coaches, but in the case of BH, KU isn't getting what it's paying for.


Edited by jayhawk1996 (01/31/11 04:24 PM)

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#1352711 - 01/31/11 04:31 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: jayhawk1996]
prairiehawk Offline
Big Dipper

Registered: 07/27/10
Loc: KS
I do agree with you 100%. And I hope the next time around we get what we pay for. It really is a simple formula in sports: The money you pay out + wins and then money coming in (tickets and donations) = profit. Think how much Bill Self is paid, compare that to the great coaches just a decade ago....I never thought I would see a KU head coach making millions of dollars annually. Is he worth it? Is he worth even more? Does that belong in the college setting? Yes, Yes, I not sure! But yes if you go by the formula above. PAYES FOR ITSELF AND PROFIT!!

Sorry to keep editing here, doing too many things at once. The reason she was paid so much more was to give an appearence of creating equality in compensation with the mens program. However, another rule in business (unless it is in the public sector) is that you receive a bonus and reward when you EARN it, and that my friend WAS NOT DONE. But it still will NOT prevent the need for BIG bucks to get the next and hopefully big time coach (who will become successful) at KU.


Edited by prairiehawk (01/31/11 04:39 PM)

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#1352712 - 01/31/11 04:54 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: prairiehawk]
prairiehawk Offline
Big Dipper

Registered: 07/27/10
Loc: KS
I am retired and love to watch college sports, especially football and both mens' and womens' basketball. I buy multiple season tickets for the KU football, women's basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, and soccer and attend most games. Only recently I had to give up the season tickets for the men's basketball (but contiune to buy single tickets and attend a couple of games at AFH and the Big 12 Tourney in KC). I will say this, I will continue to buy several season tickets, and donate a modest amount to the women's basketball program, if KU hires a proven winner. And that coach MUST show steady progress over a 4 or 5 year period for me to continue. I do not want to see business as usually any more at KU! I hope many other KU fans will buy season tickets and support the women's programs at KU, then the future will be very bright for KU women's sports, especially our beloved basketball. RCJHKU


Edited by prairiehawk (01/31/11 04:55 PM)

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#1352713 - 01/31/11 09:58 PM Re: Who do you want to replace BH? [Re: prairiehawk]
prairiehawk Offline
Big Dipper

Registered: 07/27/10
Loc: KS
One last thing here. KU fans love good basketball and will support it (men's or women's bb). I believe the evidence was the NIT Championship game when we had 16,000 + fans at AFH.

JMO - If we had a BIG time winner (consistent league contender and annually top 10 ranking) similar to the mens' program, I absolutely believe KU could sell out AFH for all home games, just like the men's program. Before arguing or doubting that, don't forget the season tickets for the women's program are a small fraction of the cost of the men's team, which makes them very cost effective and sellable. Great program = great crowds, when it comes to basketball in Lawrence, Kansas.

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