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#12208 - 05/21/07 01:20 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: larryb]
Hawk1990 Offline
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Registered: 09/03/06
Loc: Shawnee, KS
It sounds like you want it both ways on Posada and the Yanks.

On the one hand, you want us to ignore the Yankees' current state and give them credit for their past history of finishing the season on top. In other words, you don't think their record after 42 games of the season reflects their true quality.

On the other hand, you want us to consider Posada an MVP candidate because of his performance through 42 games, yet there isn't anything in his past that would lead anyone to think he's going to finish the year hitting with a .382 average, .441 on-base percentage, and .618 slugging percentage, all of which would be career highs by wide, wide margins.

You can have one, but not the other. If 42 games isn't a big enough sample, then I'll be happy not to right off the Yankees yet. But then, that would also make it way too early to put Posda on "MVP watch". Or, I can put Posada on MVP watch because 42 games is enough to judge that he's going to have a career year, but then I'll have to right off the Yankees for the year.

I'm happy with either one, so I'll let you choose.

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#12209 - 05/21/07 02:54 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: Hawk1990]
JHAWX75 Offline
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Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
No, I have never said for you or anybody to ignore the Yankees moment, nor have I ignored it. But it's basically Yankee bashing at it's so called best if they are winning or losing. I would be good with discussing baseball the game rather than responding to shallow Yankee bashing. Sometimes i'll respond to just see how creative some of you are. I have thick, New Orleans Saint skin so it's all good.

The Posada MVP thought came straight from The Baseball Tonight crew on ESPN. Simply a conversation piece 42 games into the season. They have this discussion on that show around every quarter of the season. Who knows if he will be talked about 80 games into the season when they do it again. Hell, who knows if you wont get pooped on by a bird tomorrow. I dont know. But right now, 42 games in the season, Posada is in the discussion.

The Yankees fall has been disasterous. It has also been assisted by a madd hot boston squad that has been straight up relentless. And i'm sure i'll get hit on this one also cause it's The Yankees......But I would hope as baseball head's you take into consideration the Yankee pitching staff and how it has been ripped by injuries. You take any other team in the MLB and face them with the same issue: 6 pitchers, starters or relievers, on the DL. See how they would do.

And of course, not even a smidgen of love on this board about the pitchers the Yankees keep throwing out there. Only when they are in a Hussein hole is when you birds are chirpin'.
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#12210 - 05/21/07 03:29 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: JHAWX75]
Hawk1990 Offline
US Marshal, Kansas Territory

Registered: 09/03/06
Loc: Shawnee, KS
Two responses:

1. - I have zero pity for the Yankees' health woes. You buy old players, you better be ready for more frequent injuries. Sure, it's a bit fluky to get two of the rookies injured on comebackers, but the reality is that the Yankees were only putting Rasner and Karstens on the mound in the first place because they couldn't keep Mussina or Pavano healthy. They started the year with two starters over 35 (three once Clemens arrives), a 37-year old closer, a 38-year old lefty specialist plus a another lefty spscialist who was 37. Every single regular position player is 31 or older except for Cano and, (shocker!) several of them have been hurt. You'd think, with all of George's millions, Cashma ncould have bought a decent bench, or, I don't know, outbid the Royals for Gil Meche. (For the record, the Red Sox are in the same boat and it bit them last year when they lost Manny, Wakefield, Schilling, Nixon, Timlin, Foulke and Varitek for extended stretches. You choose to go with old players, you risk getting burned.)

2. You may never have said the words "ignore the Yankees current record", but it was certainly implied in such epic posts as:

"The AL East will be chopped to 4 when the 1st of June hits"

and

"Red Sox better stay on their toes like a midget in a urinal"

and

"Dont get too comfortable on the 4th place position. Remember, we're STILL The Yankees and their STILL the red sox."

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#12211 - 05/21/07 03:46 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: Hawk1990]
Roy_Als Offline
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Registered: 02/22/07
JHAWX75 Quote:

"Dont get too comfortable on the 4th place position. Remember, we're STILL The Yankees and their STILL the red sox."

Did you play for the Yankees since you always refer to them as we or we're JHAWX75? Just curious?

How soon will you change "Ready for number 27 in '07"?


Edited by Roy_Als (05/21/07 03:48 PM)

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#12212 - 05/21/07 04:11 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: Roy_Als]
JHAWX75 Offline
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Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
So....

Your saying the red sox shouldnt stay on their toes like a midget in a urinal?

And....

The red sox should be comfortable 40 plus games into the season sittin atop first place by 11?

Sure it's nice but definitly not comfortable. Ask Francona if he's ridin cadillac comfortable just 40 games in of a 162 game season.

The difference between Yankees this year and the red sox of last year was that red sox had no pitchers step up and put a band aid on the wound. It kept bleeding and bleeding.

Try lookin at the AGE of pitchers on the DL. I dont give a rip about the hitters, they've held their own pretty well so far. Regardless, Karstens and Rasner were set up men for Sandman so that right there raises flags for help in the 'pen:

Herers your ages by the way on the DL:

Veras: 26
Sanchez: 23
Hughes: 20
Karstens: 24
Rasner: 25

Pavano is a contract we are stuck with. Plus we've been without his services for 2 years now so that doesnt even need be discussed.

And Phillip Hughes had a no no in the 7th before poppin' his rubberband. He wasnt even supposed to show his face til after 1st half at the soonest.

It all comes down to resiliancy folks. The red sox didnt have it last year. Didnt even make the playoffs. The Yankees could still pull a comeback.

Hope and Faith my friend. Hope and Faith!

And keep the age thing on the hush hotshot, Boston isnt any younger. I would hate for that to come back AGAIN to bite you.

Average Yankee age: 29.9
Average red sox age: 30.7
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#12213 - 05/21/07 04:23 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: Roy_Als]
JHAWX75 Offline
Lawrence Legend

Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
Quote:

JHAWX75 Quote:

"Dont get too comfortable on the 4th place position. Remember, we're STILL The Yankees and their STILL the red sox."

Did you play for the Yankees since you always refer to them as we or we're JHAWX75? Just curious?

How soon will you change "Ready for number 27 in '07"?




No. My Uncle did. 2-0 in the '77 WS. Remembered probably more for his po-tater he tossed over the plate to Bucky Dent.

When your 7 years old takin pictures with the world champions in the clubhouse(Jackson, Munson, Hunter and Randolph) and your eyes are burnin' from the champagne, it's hard to forget those times and the team you were with.
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#12214 - 05/21/07 04:49 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: JHAWX75]
Roy_Als Offline
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Registered: 02/22/07
Would that be Topekan Mike Torrez who is your Uncle?

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#12215 - 05/21/07 05:01 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: Roy_Als]
JHAWX75 Offline
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Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
Sho'nuff!
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#12216 - 05/21/07 09:22 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: JHAWX75]
JHAWX75 Offline
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Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
Lowell is scary. I seriously thought he was goin' fence.
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#12217 - 05/21/07 09:24 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: JHAWX75]
JHAWX75 Offline
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Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
Tryin to take Captain Clutch out!
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#12218 - 05/22/07 10:01 AM Re: Yankees. [Re: JHAWX75]
larryb Offline
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Registered: 05/02/07
Loc: Work
That's pretty cool that Torrez is your uncle and that you are old enough to remember him playing. By the way, jdavis34 appears to be some what bitter today. Gee, I wonder why? Maybe because he realizes by mid June there might be a dog fight in the AL East?
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#12219 - 05/22/07 10:12 AM Re: Yankees. [Re: larryb]
chiknbut Offline
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Registered: 09/01/04
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I have to admit, thinking back on the Yankees of the 1970s, that's when baseball seemed really great. Especially since it always seemed the Yankees and Royals were battling for the AL title.
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#12220 - 05/22/07 02:59 PM Re: Yankees. [Re: chiknbut]
JHAWX75 Offline
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Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
I to wish baseball could find the days of wayback again.

Back when golly-gee was the thing to say.

Back when Lucy and Beaver ruled t.v.(did that sound right, Lucy Beaver?)

Now instead of Jerry Mathers we have Marshall Mathers.
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#12221 - 05/29/07 10:08 AM Re: Yankees. [Re: JHAWX75]
Roy_Als Offline
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Registered: 02/22/07
It's awfully quiet on this thread right now...

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#12222 - 05/29/07 11:39 AM Re: Yankees. [Re: Roy_Als]
JHAWX75 Offline
Lawrence Legend

Registered: 01/13/06
Loc: 911's A Joke!
Big George is back. Had military duties that needed serviced.

I've been changing my logo while all the losses have continued to stack up. Tryin' to find a groove. Maybe The Boss is my sanctuary.

Yeah, all teams are takin a dump on the Yanks. It's a corner I didnt expect to be backed up in. Not this year or this soon anywayz. Offense continues to be a let down. Starting pitching has been ok but the bullpen smells like a sweaty pimp who splashed on some Drakkar while on his way to the club.

Anybody have any upbeat comeback songs to pull The Yankees out of this dump?

Here's one.

(Jeter is solo on the first verse.......)

Well I won't back down
No I won't back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won't back down

(ARod grabs the mic and butts in on verse 2.....)

No I'll stand my ground, won't be turned around
And I'll keep this world from draggin me down
gonna stand my ground... and I won't back down


(Now, all Yankees go in unison while lookin at eachother as Torre goes into Tom Petty mode on his players ....)

(I won't back down...)
Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
(and I won't back down...)
hey I will stand my ground
and I won't back down

(Giambi is a perfect choice for verse 3)

Well I know what's right, I got just one life
in a world that keeps on pushin me around
but I'll stand my ground
...and I won't back down

(in unison(louder) with Torre goin up an octave)

(I won't back down...)
Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
(and I won't back down...)
hey I will stand my ground
(I won't back down)
and I won't back down...

(Now, Steinny comes in to close it out with Torre joining the team in unison)

(I won't back down...)
Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
(I won't back down)
hey I won't back down
(and I won't back down)
hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
(and I won't back down)
hey I will stand my ground
(and I won't back down)
and I won't back down
(I won't back down)
No I won't back down...


I feel much much better!

Thanks Tom!
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