MLB Draft 2012

Posted by: tyler

MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 02:05 PM

This has actually turned into my favorite professional draft out there. Probably because I'm slowly beginning to despise the NFL as a whole. Either way, Monday will be a fun event.

As a Royal's fan I'd love to see either SP Giolito or SP Gausman.
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 02:11 PM

Those are my two choices as well...have a feeling Gausman will be gone by #5, and Giolito might have too many ? marks about his health for the Royals.

I really hope they don't take that Zimmer kid out of San Francisco.
Posted by: JFish26

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 02:14 PM

Drafting Giolito isn't any different from drafting any high school pitcher. You have to assume they'll all need TJ done.

That said, I don't know that the Royals want to wait four years on a guy.
Posted by: CrimsonNBlue

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 02:16 PM

If it's another Christian Colon, I'm going to find out where Dayton lives...
Posted by: supermario15

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 02:52 PM

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If it's another Luke Hochevar, I'm going to find out where Dayton lives...




fixed

Gausman or Zimmer are at the top of my list
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 02:58 PM

Dayton Moore didn't take Hochevar.
Posted by: CrimsonNBlue

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 02:59 PM

Hoch was the right pick at the time, it just didn't work out. Colon on the other hand didn't exactly follow Dayton's promise to go after pitching.
Posted by: Topcitykid10

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 04:27 PM

To lazy to look up the top prospects, where's Kman when you need him.
Posted by: Merg311

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 06:52 PM

If the Royals want a pitcher: Gausmann, Appel, or Fried

If they feel like going after a position player, Correa or Buxton, although they both could be gone by pick #5, which may leave Albert Almora available.

It's a crap shoot more than ever this year. Maybe they'll get lucky.
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 06:54 PM

Royals and lucky are two words I don't think I've seen together in a very long time
Posted by: CrimsonNBlue

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 06:55 PM

Even though Bubba wasn't projected to fall to the Royals last year, it still seemed unlucky.
Posted by: Merg311

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 06:57 PM

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Royals and lucky are two words I don't think I've seen together in a very long time




Exactly, which is why they're due!
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/01/12 09:23 PM

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Even though Bubba wasn't projected to fall to the Royals last year, it still seemed unlucky.




Yep..pretty unlucky that their #1 guy on the board went the pick before them, and he looks to be one of the best high school prospects to come along in many many years.
Posted by: JFish26

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/02/12 03:21 PM

In the MLB draft, you have to take the best player available, regardless of level or position. If it's Gausman, that's fine. But if it's Zunino or Fried or Giolito...it just is.
Posted by: jammahawk

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/02/12 04:28 PM

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Even though Bubba wasn't projected to fall to the Royals last year, it still seemed unlucky.




Yep..pretty unlucky that their #1 guy on the board went the pick before them, and he looks to be one of the best high school prospects to come along in many many years.




If one of the top pitchers had been available when the Royals picked last year, they would have bypassed Starling.
Posted by: jammahawk

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/02/12 04:32 PM

The draft is so uncertain that you have to draft the best player available, if you draft by position of need, you are asking for trouble.
Posted by: supermario15

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/02/12 05:12 PM

also wouldnt rule out Correa as the pick.It's not who the fans think they should take...It's who's the best availble
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/02/12 05:38 PM

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Even though Bubba wasn't projected to fall to the Royals last year, it still seemed unlucky.




Yep..pretty unlucky that their #1 guy on the board went the pick before them, and he looks to be one of the best high school prospects to come along in many many years.




If one of the top pitchers had been available when the Royals picked last year, they would have bypassed Starling.




That's what I'm sayin....Dylan Bundy was #1 on their board, and he's just been unreal to start his professional career.

There was a story I heard that Bundy on draft day was wearing a Royals shirt because he thought for sure he was going to KC at #5.

Sigh.
Posted by: jammahawk

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 07:33 AM

Bundy is the man so far, as we wait for Bubba to take his first professional at bat.
Posted by: Topcitykid10

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 05:46 PM

They just showed the pitchers from the 2011 and they are blowing up! While Starling is in AZ taking glorified BP.
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 05:51 PM

I'm really surprised Starling isn't atleast in low level A ball as of yet.

And the Royals wanted a P last season...just their top 4 all got picked 1-4.

Kind of unlucky when you think about it, especially considering they really wanted Bundy, and now you see what he's done so far, and it kinda sucks lol.
Posted by: CrimsonNBlue

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:03 PM

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I'm really surprised Starling isn't atleast in low level A ball as of yet.




Bubba
Posted by: jnewell

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:19 PM

Wow. Rany makes his mark on the MLB.

He completes a study saying that younger players in the draft are less risky last year, then Houston goes with the young guy Correa.
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:21 PM

I think this hopefully a good thing for the Royals at #5.

I want Kevin Gausman
Posted by: WaHawk04

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:28 PM

So far, so good for the Royals. Top 2 picks are both HS kids. Lots of arms still available
Posted by: WaHawk04

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:31 PM

WOW....I can't believe this. The Royals are going to get either Appel or Gausman
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:32 PM

Couldn't go any better for the Royals.

If they don't take either one of those two guys...I'm gonna lose it.
Posted by: jnewell

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:34 PM

Appel or Gausman. Pick who's left. Come on, Dayton.
Posted by: WaHawk04

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:36 PM

For as 'unlucky' as the royals were in last years draft, I think they are equally as 'lucky' in this years. Both of these guys were supposed to be off the board before the Royals picked
Posted by: CrimsonNBlue

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:38 PM

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For as 'unlucky' as the royals were in last years draft, I think they are equally as 'lucky' in this years. Both of these guys were supposed to be off the board before the Royals picked




I heard on 810 from some draft dude that the pitchers weren't as good this year as last, is that the consensus?
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:38 PM

Alright Dayton....don't [censored] screw this up.

Take Appel.
Posted by: CrimsonNBlue

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:39 PM

Is it a contract thing b/c of Boras?
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:42 PM

I'm sure it is...still can't pass up on him.
Posted by: WaHawk04

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:42 PM

Fuuuucccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Not that Zimmer is a bad pick, but fuuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkk
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:42 PM

I absolutely hate that pick.

HATE IT

HATE IT

HATE IT
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:46 PM

And to expand on that....

he had a spike in velocity this season (always a huge red flag) and now has tailed off and there are some concerns already that since he hasn't been a pitcher very long, there are some question marks regarding his future as a starter.

There must be something up with Appel...he has to be asking for above slot....there was no reason not to take him at #5 there.
Posted by: CrimsonNBlue

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:48 PM

Supposedly we only have $6m for this class.

Wouldn't surprise me if they just ignored the first 4 picks and took their guy.
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:49 PM

I think you're probably right CnB.

Hope it works out...I am happy they atleast took a college pitcher.
Posted by: WaHawk04

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 06:50 PM

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Supposedly we only have $6m for this class.




If that is really the case, then you don't make sacrifices at the top of the draft, you make those at the bottom of the draft. I mean, fukc it, just pass for several rounds to save yourself some money.


Again, I don't think Zimmer is a bad pick, but there seems to be a concept of life that the Royals have NEVER been able to figure out. Perception is Reality, like it or not.
Posted by: Topcitykid10

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 07:22 PM

IMO Moore wont be here when Zimmer comes up
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 07:32 PM

Interesting question...the easy answer is no because there's always a decent chance he never sees the majors.

But I'll say he's up by late-2014, and Dayton should still be here by then.
Posted by: JFish26

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 07:44 PM

Just got home, just catching up...what the fvck? I saw the crawl...why didn't KC go Appel? I will investigate.
Posted by: jnewell

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 07:52 PM

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Just got home, just catching up...what the fvck? I saw the crawl...why didn't KC go Appel? I will investigate.




And if signing him was a money issue, why was Pittsburgh able to take him with roughly the same amount of draft money to spend?
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 07:58 PM

I think the only explanation is that they Royals liked Zimmer more than Appel.

If we are to believe Zimmer about his injury this season being a hamstring issue, not any kind of arm issue, then I might be able to understand the pick.

I still don't like it....but I don't hate it as much as I did an hour ago.
Posted by: CrimsonNBlue

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 08:08 PM

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Supposedly we only have $6m for this class.




If that is really the case, then you don't make sacrifices at the top of the draft, you make those at the bottom of the draft. I mean, fukc it, just pass for several rounds to save yourself some money.




Might make sense if they liked Appel way more than Zimmer, but maybe they thought they'd be mailing in a bunch of later pics to get a guy they don't like any more than Zimmer.
Posted by: JFish26

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 08:08 PM

I am told it was indeed money concerns. He's credibly threatening to go back to school. Figures in the new slotting system that the risk of passing up money as a junior isn't nearly as great as it was before.
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 08:36 PM

So what's he holding out for exactly? I'm confused.

No team to going to over slot for him....it isn't worth it unless it's a can't-miss type guy (Harper, Strasburg).
Posted by: JFish26

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 08:46 PM

Yeah, it's a weird deal. I've told you everything I know.
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 08:48 PM

Na, I understand...I just don't understand, with the new slotting system, why any kid, outside of the select few uber-studs, think some team will go over slot for them?

The kids have zero leverage in draft negotiations in today's MLB system....and I think the agents are pissed off.

Somebody got in this kids ear, and it's going to come back to burn him.
Posted by: supermario15

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 08:52 PM

am I wrong in feeling the new draft system HURTS the small market teams more then it helps them?
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 08:54 PM

In the short term, I'd say yes, but in the long term, I'd say no.

Teams like the Royals were taking advantage of over-paying for lower round guys to be able to sign them, but the feeling around baseball was that big-market teams were starting to use this as well....which in the end, just means big-market teams would go and have the advantage again.

Ultimately, I think it's the right move.

But one thing they do need to do is get to work on making an international draft. I know they talked about it, but already, it won't be happening this season.
Posted by: JFish26

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 08:54 PM

You are entirely correct. The new draft (and international free agency) system is brutal on small market teams.
Posted by: supermario15

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 09:02 PM

gonna be honest didnt like the Zimmer pick at first.but the more I think about it more I like it.just hope he's accurate about the hamsting injury being past him and him being healthy now
Posted by: supermario15

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 09:07 PM

btw sounds like Appel was thrilled to go to Pittsburgh...so thrilled he wasnt apart of the news conferance
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 09:46 PM

Here's the "statement" Appel put out:

"I'm currently concentrating on winning a National Championship and finishing my academic endeavors at Stanford. I will address the possibility of a professional career in due time."

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Is it just me or is that an incredibly pompous statement?
Posted by: supermario15

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/04/12 10:59 PM

are'nt all people from Stanford pompeous?
Posted by: Topcitykid10

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/05/12 12:21 PM

The #Royals select LHP Colin Rodgers with their 3rd-round pick (100 overall).  Rodgers is from Parkview Baptist High in LA
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/05/12 12:48 PM

All pitchers through 3 rounds...smart move.
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/05/12 04:36 PM

I heard a rumor that Appel wanted 6+ million sign with Houston at #1.

Yeah....good luck with that one kid.
Posted by: jammahawk

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/05/12 10:02 PM

Have any of you seen any of the pitchers, or are you basing your opinion on what writers opinions are?
I have no idea if one of these players is better than the other.
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/05/12 10:31 PM

No, I haven't.

I will honestly say I based a lot of my opinion on Zimmer based off what I read about his injury during the season and the fact his velocity went way up (always a red flag - see Danny Duffy).

I've seen Appel pitch, albeit just once on TV...and I was impressed.
Posted by: jammahawk

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/06/12 09:27 AM

He probably is impressive. I've also seen Kyle Davies look impressive against major league hitters.
Time will tell if the pick was good or not.
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/06/12 09:31 AM

Oh, absolutely. The baseball draft is such a crapshoot.
Posted by: supermario15

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/06/12 08:08 PM

Dodd tweeted earlier that Zimmer is at the K taking a physical and apeears to be close to signing
Posted by: tyler

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/07/12 01:14 PM

A guy I played ball with through my childhood and up till we graduated high school together was drafted and signed by the Milwaukee Brewers. He played his past two years at Neosho CC.

"As a freshman he hit .396 while leading the nation with 102 RBIs and finishing with 18 homeruns. During his sophomore campaign, he picked up where he left off once again hitting .396 with a team leading 12 homeruns, 25 doubles, and 59 RBIs. Giacalone also had an impressive career on the mound for the Panthers as his 18 wins and 179.0 innings pitched are also school records. Giacalone also threw two of the most dominant games in school history. As a freshman he set the single game record for strikeouts when he fanned 17 Fort Scott hitters in a win. He topped that performance as a sophomore when he threw the fifth no-hitter in school history facing only one over the minimum. Giacalone currently owns 12 single season or career records. He was twice named the Jayhawk Conference Player of the Year, First Team All-Conference First Baseman and Pitcher, First Team All-Region First Baseman, Second Team All-Region Pitcher. As a freshman he was also named the Freshman of the Year as well as being named a First Team All-American, an honor which he is expected to earn again this season."

http://goneosho.com/news/2012/6/7/BB_0607124207.aspx

A great guy and I couldn't be happier for him!
Posted by: christgs80

Re: MLB Draft 2012 - 06/07/12 01:56 PM

Sounds like your buddy is quite the player.

I wish him well.

I'm assuming he got drafted as a 1B?