Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19

Posted by: B_of_H

Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/24/19 02:32 PM

Dotson
Grimes/Hampton
Ochai
SDS
Dok



Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/24/19 02:46 PM

I think it will be

Dotson
Hampton
Wilson
DeSouza
Dok

Ochai, Garrett and McCormick off the bench.
Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/24/19 03:05 PM

Wilson and Hampton? I think that would be great but I am under the impression that if Dotson and/or Grimes come back we don't get both of them. I would hope we could get Hampton even if Dotson comes back. I'm not sure I believe that Wilson will beat out Ochai and Garrett for minutes at this point.
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/24/19 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: B_of_H
Wilson and Hampton? I think that would be great but I am under the impression that if Dotson and/or Grimes come back we don't get both of them. I would hope we could get Hampton even if Dotson comes back. I'm not sure I believe that Wilson will beat out Ochai and Garrett for minutes at this point.


I think KU does get both. Hampton's dad made it seem like if Dotson and Grimes came back it was more likely that RJ would come. As for Wilson to me he would not be competing with Dotson and Grimes, more with Abajai. I honestly think there is room for all of them. Maybe not but that's my opinion. As for the starting lineup I get the Grimes and Abajai picks. They have more experience. I just don't see how you keep a top 5 recruit out of the starting lineup. I know Grimes was top ten but didn't look it. Plus I have a hunch Hampton is a better shooter than Grimes. Now maybe Grimes gets his shot back over the summer and if so I would give him the nod. I have kind of the same thinking on Wilson over Abajai. KU needs shooting BAD. Major minutes by Garret or Grimes from last year would not bode well for the Hawks.

Anyway those are my two cents.
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/28/19 08:47 AM

With Hampton out who starts if Grimes does not come back? Would it be Ochai? I am scared it would be Garrett. Garrett does some nice things but he is a HUGE hole on offense.
Posted by: INation

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 05:33 PM

Starting 5

McBride
Agbaji
Lightfoot
De Sousa
Azubuike

Bench

Garrett
Braun
McCormack
Enaruna
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 07:01 PM

We will suck with that no experienced backcourt...Self better earn his keep...
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 07:03 PM

Are you fuuukin stoned...McCormack or Tristan should start way before Lightfoot...dayuuummm boy...but with that no name backcourt we are SCREWED....
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 07:51 PM

Dotson waiting until the last second...
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 08:01 PM

Grimes dropping out of the draft....
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 08:22 PM

Dotson back and Grimes gone. I wanted both but Dotson was they way more important one.

I don’t get Grimes transferring. He would have been the starting two guard on a blue blood team. Sitting out a year makes NO sense. That said I wish him well.

Still hopeful on Wilson.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 08:44 PM

Grimes be stoopid...but I was always right about him not coming back. I have stated that for weeks...hope he enjoys sitting on that bench next season...at Houston (my prediction) or wherever...
Posted by: AlOerter

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 08:45 PM

Dotson most important returning player.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: moose1
Dotson back and Grimes gone. I wanted both but Dotson was they way more important one.

I don’t get Grimes transferring. He would have been the starting two guard on a blue blood team. Sitting out a year makes NO sense. That said I wish him well.

Still hopeful on Wilson.


We dont need another small forward...we are good...Grimes as a sophmore probably no better as him as a freshmen...
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Originally Posted By: moose1
Dotson back and Grimes gone. I wanted both but Dotson was they way more important one.

I don’t get Grimes transferring. He would have been the starting two guard on a blue blood team. Sitting out a year makes NO sense. That said I wish him well.

Still hopeful on Wilson.


We dont need another small forward...we are good...Grimes as a sophmore probably no better as him as a freshmen...


I don’t think KU needs Wilson, but he would be nice to have.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 09:51 PM

Another backcourt guy would be good..just in case...we have what 6...7 frontcourt dudes...thats enough...
Posted by: Jayhawk1952

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/29/19 11:50 PM

Our greatest need is a really good three point shooter. Who knows, perhaps Garrett will shock the daylights out of us all. shocked
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 12:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
Our greatest need is a really good three point shooter. Who knows, perhaps Garrett will shock the daylights out of us all. shocked


I think we have all seen enough of Garrett to know he is not going to be a 3pointer shooter EVER.

I still want Wilson though he can shoot and I think he can play the 2 as well as the 3.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 01:46 AM

Braun almost as tall as Jalen and he can definitely shoot the 3 ball...
Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 01:08 PM

I think Braun is going to a really good 4 year player ala Releford or Reed etc.. Start out okay with minimal minutes but ready to really contribute by junior year. McBride will probably get more minutes this year just because he is our only other true PG. I bet Garrett is 2nd at the depth chart at that position all year though.

Dotson
Garrett
Ochai
SDS
Azuibuke

Guards: Enaruna (3/4), Braun, McBride
Bigs: Lightfoot (1st off bench against 4 out teams probably), McCormack

that is pretty damn solid but obviously it would be nice to add a shooter combo guard. Lets hope our 3 frosh are as good or better than their 4* ratings would suggest.
Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 01:14 PM

Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Braun almost as tall as Jalen and he can definitely shoot the 3 ball...


Yeah, it seems like him and wilson are similar players.

NOBODY is going to ever win over HCBS as much as Garrett. Self would clone that kid and play with 5 of him if he could. I know KU fans can't stand his poor shooting but damn the kid does everything else really well. If he was an average shooter he would be arguably our best player coming into this season.
Posted by: parkhawk3319

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 01:46 PM

The comparison is a stretch, but you could make the case for Garrett being a Dennis Rodman type of player. He has a limited skill set, but he works what he's got for all he's worth. He is a disrupter and there is a big value in that. You gotta like having someone with that mindset on your team. And the opponents usually hate seeing that guy on the floor.
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 01:59 PM

Garrett does a lot of things well. However his shot is SO bad it makes him a total liability on offense. You are basically playing 4 on 5. If Dotson and Ochai were better shooters themselves then you could probably hide Garrett a little easier. Dotson and Ochai are not bad shooters, but they are not great either. Plus Garrett is just as bad as Dok at the line so driving the ball is not a great option either.
Posted by: Jayhawk1952

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 02:16 PM

With a half year under his belt (game playing), Agbaji may well surprise a lot of folks. He is capable of hitting the three ball and most likely has worked hard on his game during the off season. I believe he will be a key player.
Posted by: parkhawk3319

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 02:22 PM

The flip side is that if you neutralize the other team's go-to player, the game is now 4 on 4. The other team now has to run their offense through a player that isn't geared for that.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 05:40 PM

Ochai will not start next season...mark my words...first off the bench maybe...thats about it...Gusher right about Grimes...and Gusher is right about this...nomsayin....
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Ochai will not start next season...mark my words...first off the bench maybe...thats about it...Gusher right about Grimes...and Gusher is right about this...nomsayin....


So who do you think the starters will be? Just curious.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 08:14 PM

Dok.
Silvio
Dotson
Braun
McBride/Garrett
Posted by: AlOerter

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 08:42 PM

I think Ochai will start. Too talented to sit.

Also, we have available schollies so why not add Wilson? I like tall wing players. Beilein liked him.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/30/19 09:51 PM

Because he wont come here...Self will get one more surprise guy but not Wilson...
Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/31/19 09:36 AM

Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Dok.
Silvio
Dotson
Braun
McBride/Garrett


wow. mind blown.

You think McBride and Braun will start? That is a bold take to say the least.

I personally think Enaruna is the guy who has the highest potential to be better than his ranking.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/31/19 11:57 AM

Can Tristan play the 2...maybe..dont really know. I think the 2 will be played by a player to be named later...Walker come on down...
Posted by: MICHHAWK

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/31/19 12:48 PM

Starters will be:

Dotson
Agbaji
MG
SDS
The Big Fella
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/31/19 05:03 PM

Hopefully it is NOT Garrett. If it is hopefully his shot got better. It was so BAD though I do not have high hopes for that.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 05/31/19 11:32 PM

Its Michhawks prediction...and that will never be accurate...Self will close out the recruiting with a few surprises....one of which will start over Garrett...nbd...
Posted by: Jayhawk1952

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/02/19 03:35 PM

For starters, the two Ds are givens -- Dodson & Dok. The rest are only guesses at this point and the other three may well change from time to time, especially as the season progresses.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/02/19 09:34 PM

It is Dotson you west Kansas plowbilly...try to get it right...
Posted by: Jayhawk1952

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/02/19 11:51 PM

I know. Just hit the wrong key. I do have some good friends named Dodson.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/03/19 08:47 AM

More like Clodson I bet..west Kansas dirt clods...lol.
Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/03/19 02:28 PM

Originally Posted By: MICHHAWK
Starters will be:

Dotson
Agbaji
MG
SDS
The Big Fella


FWIW Ochai will be the 3. Garret is a combo, actually recruited as a PG. He'll probably be our backup at least until McBride gets up to speed.

i don't think people realize how much self likes Garret. Sorry but he is going to start.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/03/19 03:29 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/03/19 04:30 PM

Originally Posted By: B_of_H
Originally Posted By: MICHHAWK
Starters will be:

Dotson
Agbaji
MG
SDS
The Big Fella


FWIW Ochai will be the 3. Garret is a combo, actually recruited as a PG. He'll probably be our backup at least until McBride gets up to speed.

i don't think people realize how much self likes Garret. Sorry but he is going to start.


I am pretty sure Garrett has pictures of Coach Self in a compromising position.

I get that Self likes Garrett. Garrett does some nice things. However you cannot get past his deficiencies on offense. It seemed like there were times last season Self wanted to leave Garrett in longer, but the tide was turning and Coach had to take him out. I don't mind Garrett starting, but his shot HAS to get better. It does not have to be great, but it definitely needs to be better.
Posted by: MICHHAWK

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/04/19 02:21 PM

Of course MG is going to start.
Posted by: Maximus

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/04/19 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: moose1
I get that Self likes Garrett. Garrett does some nice things. However you cannot get past his deficiencies on offense.


Garrett should not shoot any threes. Shots in the paint only.

Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/04/19 05:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Maximus
Originally Posted By: moose1
I get that Self likes Garrett. Garrett does some nice things. However you cannot get past his deficiencies on offense.


Garrett should not shoot any threes. Shots in the paint only.



If Garrett is going to start he has to be able to shoot threes. If he can't shoot threes he is WAY to easy to guard.
Posted by: Maximus

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 07:40 AM

Originally Posted By: moose1
If Garrett is going to start he has to be able to shoot threes. If he can't shoot threes he is WAY to easy to guard.


Harder to guard a player driving to the basket than a player standing at the 3 point line.
Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 10:03 AM

Originally Posted By: MICHHAWK
Of course MG is going to start.


this. with the current lineup I cannot fathom Garrett coming off the bench. I'm not sure how a rational person could conclude that he would. If HCBS could genetically engineer the perfect guard then Garrett would be the template. 6'5 combo, tough, defense first, can guard the 4 fairly well but also play PG. Is this that hard to understand?
Posted by: madcapper

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 10:28 AM

It is for phogo
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 10:40 AM

Duurrhhh...no I dont disagree that Bill wont start Garrett...I think there might be better options. Bit Garrett will be Lucas Edition 2 ...thats how Bill rolls...
Posted by: parkhawk3319

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 11:28 AM

Originally Posted By: MICHHAWK
Starters will be:

Dotson
Agbaji
MG
SDS
The Big Fella


It would have been this even if Grimes came back. That's why Grimes left. Agbaji's effort exceeded Grimes when he was on the floor and he has as much potential upside. Any freshman breaking into this lineup would have to be a guaranteed lottery pick. Self has the luxury of reduced PT expectations with the recruits he got. They are not expecting to start and they will learn while coming off the bench and watching/learning from more experienced players.
Posted by: tmcats

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 11:59 AM

sorry boys, but that lineup doesn't look all that daunting without considerable improvement by the principals coupled with dok's good health. gasp, could it be two in a row?

Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 12:04 PM

Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Duurrhhh...no I dont disagree that Bill wont start Garrett...I think there might be better options. Bit Garrett will be Lucas Edition 2 ...thats how Bill rolls...


When it is all said and done Garrett will be a beloved Jayhawk. Here is a list of players he is considerably better than so far (soph):

Elijah Johnson
Travis Releford
Tyler Reed
Billy Morningsleeves
Ryan Robertson

Players he is statistically similar to so far:
Russell Robinson
Aaron Miles

Food for Thought.
Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 12:05 PM

Originally Posted By: tmcats
sorry boys, but that lineup doesn't look all that daunting without considerable improvement by the principals coupled with dok's good health. gasp, could it be two in a row?



If dok gets hurt again his backup is a MAA named David McCormack. fwiw
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 12:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Maximus
Originally Posted By: moose1
If Garrett is going to start he has to be able to shoot threes. If he can't shoot threes he is WAY to easy to guard.


Harder to guard a player driving to the basket than a player standing at the 3 point line.


It is pretty easy to guard someone when you can say off of him 6ft. Plus it makes Garrett's defender able to help out on other opponents.
Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 12:34 PM

Originally Posted By: moose1
Originally Posted By: Maximus
Originally Posted By: moose1
If Garrett is going to start he has to be able to shoot threes. If he can't shoot threes he is WAY to easy to guard.


Harder to guard a player driving to the basket than a player standing at the 3 point line.


It is pretty easy to guard someone when you can say off of him 6ft. Plus it makes Garrett's defender able to help out on other opponents.


but it also allows him to see the passing lanes and doesn't put any pressure on him. We saw this with Gottlieb over and over so teams started playing him tight anyway.
Posted by: moose1

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 07:56 PM

Originally Posted By: B_of_H
Originally Posted By: moose1
Originally Posted By: Maximus
Originally Posted By: moose1
If Garrett is going to start he has to be able to shoot threes. If he can't shoot threes he is WAY to easy to guard.


Harder to guard a player driving to the basket than a player standing at the 3 point line.


It is pretty easy to guard someone when you can say off of him 6ft. Plus it makes Garrett's defender able to help out on other opponents.


but it also allows him to see the passing lanes and doesn't put any pressure on him. We saw this with Gottlieb over and over so teams started playing him tight anyway.


He may be able to see better but what he is seeing is bad angles and low success of getting the ball in. It happened last year where teams sagged off of Garrett and to a lesser extent Grimes and KU could NOT get the ball in.

Hey if Garrett shoots better I do not mind seeing him in the game. Also a shot is correctable. He could have gotten better over the summer.
Posted by: Jayhawk1952

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/05/19 09:08 PM

We've had a good number of players in the past who have really uped their game by their Jr./Sr. years. Garrett could very well become another one.
Posted by: Maximus

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/06/19 08:13 AM

Redshirt was pulled to replace Garrett. In the six games played between Jan. 29 and Feb. 16, Agbaji scored 20-plus points three times and achieved double-figure scoring in three of those games.

Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/06/19 08:39 AM

yeah, och was great until there was a scouting report on him.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/06/19 08:53 AM

What is this with Timmay and his stock photos of plain looking KSuck girls with a goofy look on their faces to go with his vain attempts to insult KU hoops. Two in a row aint happening for Emaw and even if it did whoopity fuuuuking doo.

Try stringing a minimum of 5 together then he might have something...hell one up it and get the Mildcats to their first F4 since 1964 especially sinve mighty KU has been to 5 since 2002.

In other words come back with some significant accomplishments then we might pay some respect to your mediocre bball program...and thats respect you will never ever earn..
Posted by: Jayhawk1952

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/07/19 10:28 PM

Even better yet, KU has been to 11 Final Fours since 1964.
Posted by: Jayhawk1952

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/07/19 10:30 PM

About all that catty mouse can do is squeak really loud.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/08/19 09:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Jayhawk1952
Even better yet, KU has been to 11 Final Fours since 1964.


I am going with recent history slick...not médiéval times...which is the last time KSuck was in a F4...the Knights of the Roundtable attended that F4 I believe....
Posted by: Jayhawk1952

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/08/19 10:08 AM

It seems like an 11 - 1 ratio is pretty overwhelming whatever time period you choose! I suppose the Catty Mouse thinks their 1 FF is greater than our 11 FFs over the same time period.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 06/08/19 12:58 PM

Thats because he is an idiot and delusional like all of EMAW land...
Posted by: Maximus

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 07/13/19 07:26 PM

Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 08/08/19 02:55 PM

Depth Chart:

PG: DD, MG
SG: MG, Moss
WING: Agbaji, MG
PF: SDS, Mitch
C: Dok, DMC

3rd string or backup PG battle: McBride/Harris
2/3 limited minutes: WIlson, Enaruna (Maybe Braun)
RS candidates: McBride, Braun, Mitch, Harris

Transfer possibles: McBride/Harris (loser of pg battle), Wilson, Braun

Ultimately I think Harris will probably be the RS. I'm worried that Wilson won't get much PT as I think Enaruna is the steal of the class. Braun probably doesn't get much time but also doesn't look to transfer. Garrett will play the most minutes on the team probably with Dotson a close second. Yes, MG will also be our backup PG.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 08/08/19 05:15 PM

Decent but Moss as a true 3 pt shooter should start before Garrett....jusayin...
Posted by: B_of_H

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 08/09/19 11:45 AM

Originally Posted By: PHOGUSHER
Decent but Moss as a true 3 pt shooter should start before Garrett....jusayin...


lolz

Self's golden boy is going to play 35 mpg.
Posted by: PHOGUSHER

Re: Starting Lineup Predictions 5-24-19 - 08/09/19 06:22 PM

Hence Self's pattern of failing once again...sure Garrett should get minutes...but if we need offense then maybe Moss should have more ...but I digress like most plowbilly local yokels have no ideal who Bill will put on the floor...sure Dok..SDS...Dotson...outside of dat no clue..