I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today.

Posted by: seahawk

I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 07:32 PM

When I first came to this forum, when there were few females and I was very afraid to say anything, pom was the first person to ever PM me. And the first to make the same kind of nice comment on my post that DC has had such great fun ridiculing him for.

I have this thing about loyalty, so even when Pom aggravated me or I disagreed with him, I found it difficult to write him off and jump on the bandwagon of trying to make an old guy look stupid. Since he seemed to have had some heart problems the last year, I was dismayed at the continued anti-semite, DVFT, "I love my pomeranian" bumper sticker, "dude, your language is so stilted" (even if you're writing in a language not your native one) posts.

But I'm ashamed because I didn't step forward to say "FVCK YOU, DC, for spending so much time trying to keep an old man from posting stuff that you disagree with, or mostly just for posting anything because he wasn't up to your clever right-wing standards."

FVCK YOU, RMAN, for all the DVFT and Porter Goss and most of all for making fun publicly over and over of an old man's childhood experiences. Especially when he had revealed them in a more private forum to explain what he so valued about this country.

FVCK YOU, Shades, for all the "dude, your language is so stilted" comments to someone who did way better writing in a language not his native one than I do.

Shame on me for not standing up to say that and then leaving.

So I'm saying it now, FVCK YOU, DC. FVCK YOU, RMAN, FVCK YOU, shades.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-08-17-dogattack-
couple-georgia_N.htm?loc=interstitialsk

Sheriff: Ga. couple likely killed in dog attack

ATLANTA (AP) A former college professor and his wife were apparently attacked and killed by nearly a dozen dogs along a rural northeast Georgia road where their bodies were found mutilated, authorities said Monday.

Preliminary autopsy results from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation showed Sherry Schweder, 65, likely died of injuries suffered in a dog attack, Oglethorpe County Sheriff Mike Smith said. Autopsy results for her husband, Lothar Karl Schweder, 77, were not yet available, but Smith said it's likely he was also attacked by dogs because the scene was so grisly.

Smith said officials were going to round up at least 11 dogs seen in the area where the couple's mutilated bodies were found Saturday morning by five passersby.

It wasn't immediately clear whether the mixed-breed dogs, which are to be captured by animal control officers from neighboring Madison County, were feral or someone's pets. There had been no recent complaints about vicious dogs in the area, Smith said.

Stephanie Shain, a spokeswoman for the Humane Society of the United States, said it was "uncommon" for people to be bitten to death by dogs, citing federal figures that the average number of fatal dog bites each year is 16.
Posted by: and_one

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 07:43 PM

nice rant on gender bias, old guys, dog attacks, linguistic proclivities, etc...
now go get your meds checked
Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 07:52 PM

I'm sure that it doesn't matter to you, but look at the location under pomeranian.

http://boards.kusports.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1475414&an=0&page=0#1475414

How many former German professors whose wives are librarians do you think there are living in Lexington, Georgia?

Posted by: t_jayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 08:00 PM

not to cry wolf, but i looked and he hasn't posted since friday.
Posted by: Geezer

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 08:03 PM

I certianly hope that is not Pom.
Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 08:18 PM

Pom's given name was Lothar. His wife was a librarian. He mentioned that in his very first post to me.

Oh, and FVCK YOU, psych, under whatever name you're currently posting, for all the hideous adult diaper references.
Posted by: t_jayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 08:21 PM

http://www.ajc.com/news/autopsy-dogs-killed-oglethorpe-couple-117412.html
Posted by: Geezer

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 08:22 PM

Crap.
I've grown attached to those here that I have both agreed with and disagreed with but this is a tragic ending.
Damn I just hope it's not him.
Posted by: unburnt_orange

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 08:31 PM

I pray this isn't Pom.
Posted by: t_jayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 08:37 PM

a simple google search showed that lothar schweder of lexington, georgia was a contributor to barak obama and posted on message boards as a liberal.

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=&zip=30648&last=Schweder&first=Lothar

--couldn't link the message boards but they are in the search.
Posted by: Geezer

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 08:47 PM

>>The GBI responded to a call about the bodies around 10 a.m. Saturday morning.<<

Last post Friday night at approx. 7:00.
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 09:06 PM

I hope and pray its not pom and his wife. I fear that we won't be so fortunate.
Posted by: DCHawk1

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 09:07 PM

Quote:

>>The GBI responded to a call about the bodies around 10 a.m. Saturday morning.<<

Last post Friday night at approx. 7:00.




The only glimmer of hope, perhaps, given that, is this:

The bodies were found along a dirt road near the couple's home in Lexington and had been there for at least 24 hours before they were found, said county coroner James Mathews.
Posted by: unburnt_orange

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 09:10 PM

I noted that glimmer as well. It's a horrific tragedy and my heart goes out to the victims.
Posted by: bpritchett

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 09:50 PM

I'm truly shocked. One of the online articles said a son lived in Hutchinson. Not sure how that fits with Pom's known biographical facts.

There's a lesson here somewhere. Probably several.

Pom was always civil to me. I hope the worst isn't true.
Posted by: DCHawk1

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 09:59 PM

The only thing I know other than what's been mentioned is that Pom said he previously taught at Washburn.
Posted by: badair

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 10:11 PM

Quote:

The only thing I know other than what's been mentioned is that Pom said he previously taught at Washburn.


I live just down the street from Washburn. If there's anything in the paper I'll forward it. What a tragedy!
Posted by: hasbeen

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 10:11 PM

I'm actually speechless. I really hope it wasn't Pom.
Posted by: copperhead

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 10:16 PM

Incredible.
Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 10:18 PM

From the KU alumni association directory, Sherry L. Schweder, '66, BA.
Posted by: jayhwk01

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 10:18 PM

I am stunned to read this thread. Pom and I have had our battles but that is politics and in the grand scheme of things not really so important as many of us (myself included) make it. I hope Pom shows up and we can go another round or two. If not then best to those left behind and to Pom I say journey well.
Posted by: copperhead

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 10:26 PM

The age on his profile on my board is 77.
Posted by: shades

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 11:18 PM

It's a terrible tragedy, and especially sad if the victims were Pom and his wife.

Even at 77, he retained a passion for politics. In a spirited political disagreement, Pom wasn't accustomed to giving any quarter, and I don't believe he expected much, if any, in return.

Didn't Bill Clinton contend that politics is a contact sport? From what I observed, Pom accepted that as one of the (imperfect) realities of life.

[Maybe in a few hundred years the species will be wiser. Then again, maybe not.]
Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 11:20 PM

Video about this.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Couple_Found_Dead_in_Oglethorpe_Co_081609
Posted by: copperhead

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 11:27 PM

Surreal. Just stunned.
Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 11:37 PM

Pomerania, I assume that's where pom was born.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pomerania
Posted by: copperhead

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 11:40 PM

Yup.
Posted by: hasbeen

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/17/09 11:50 PM

Un-[censored]-believable.
Posted by: NotAPuke

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 12:10 AM

Yes, that is Pom. Lothar had a son in Hutchinson. He was civil with me even when we disagreed. he was quick to PM and say a kind word. It is a sad day.
Posted by: WaHawk04

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 12:12 AM

Can I be the [censored]?

I wish it was copper or 5-10, at least pom was coherent.

I'm saddened by a loss of a fellow Jayhawk, but I'm a firm believer in Karma.

Take your shots, at least I'm being honest.
Posted by: DCHawk1

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. *DELETED* - 08/18/09 12:26 AM

Post deleted by DCHawk1
Posted by: WaHawk04

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 12:32 AM

why not. None of you really knew him in real life and if you did you wouldn't give a sh!t about what some anonymous internet message board poster said about him. your memories of him would completely outweigh anything said here.
Posted by: WaHawk04

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 12:33 AM

To add to my last post, I'm a big believer in celebrating a mans (womans) death, so here is to you pom..



Cheers brother.
Posted by: jhawk0097

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 12:47 AM

Wow. Language is an inadequate instrument to express emotions/thoughts in this sort of situation. RIP Pom.
Posted by: JHAWKinKY

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 06:41 AM

I've only been around for a short time, but Pom was always willing to mix it up with me at the drop of a hat. Admittedly, I was unaware that Pom was who Pom was. For those of us who don't know each other, we seem to put some sort of image to those posters that we engage with, at least I do. I always imagined Pom as a very highly educated, witty, and thoughtful, woman. Turns out I was only wrong about the last part.
Posted by: 5DecadeHawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 07:37 AM

I saw this story on the news and thought it was a pretty horrific event. Now that I learn it was Pom... it strikes closer to home.


I can't say I knew Pom particularly well. The only contact I had with him was his postings on this message board. We argued a few times on some issues, and we agreed on other issues. He was one of the only posters here that would actually thank someone for sharing a new piece of quality information, sometimes even if that new information was something he didn't like.

It appears that Pom's last act was a heroic attempt to rescue his wife. While I don't want to trivialize the obvious pain and suffering from the incident, clearly he gave his life in an act of honor.

So long Pom. You fought the good fight until the end.
Posted by: 5DecadeHawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 07:39 AM

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/081809/new_482836253.shtml

http://www.ajc.com/news/killer-dogs-mystify-117412.html
Posted by: RManFlint

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 08:08 AM

I disagreed with him on almost everything, but I didn't actively dislike hiim.

I'm very sorry to hear of his and his wife's horrible deaths.
Posted by: larryb

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 08:33 AM

He will be missed. My condolences to the Schweder family, extended family, and friends.
Posted by: minhin

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 08:50 AM

I don't often post on this board, but I read it a lot.
The loss of Pom will leave a large hole in discussions.
My condolences also to family and friends.
I know he will be missed here.
Posted by: LisaT

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 09:11 AM

Words escape me....sigh
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 09:29 AM

It appears that Pom's last act was a heroic attempt to rescue his wife. While I don't want to trivialize the obvious pain and suffering from the incident, clearly he gave his life in an act of honor

Absolutely stunning. Good lord, what a horrible end.

In defense of those who spent the majority of their time on this board battling with him, he took it and gave it right back. He knew this was all just a silly game. I doubt he even had any personal ill will against their likes.

I only hope this is not true. Please just be a sick joke or a horrible coincidence.
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 09:43 AM

Quote:

Can I be the [censored]?

I wish it was copper or 5-10, at least pom was coherent.

I'm saddened by a loss of a fellow Jayhawk, but I'm a firm believer in Karma.




I'm glad you believe in karma.
Posted by: parkhawk3319

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 10:34 AM

Horrific news. He will be missed here. Rest in peace Pom.

for Pom
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 10:39 AM


Perfect sendoff, Park.
Posted by: bpritchett

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 11:09 AM

CNN Video

Includes an interview with their son, Mark.

Sad, sad, sad.
Posted by: jhwkswn

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 11:17 AM

I started this thread nearly brushing it off, thinking there is no way this can actually be Pom. Crazy. I feel strange saying it cause I'm still not sure I believe it but, if true, Godspeed, Pom. This little spot in cyberspace will truely never be the same.
Posted by: jayhawk96

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 11:25 AM

Jesus. I'm sick to my stomach. A true loss.
Posted by: larryb

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 11:28 AM

Can someone please give me a little backround on Pom? Sure I knew who he was but I didn't know much about him. Thanks.
Posted by: 5DecadeHawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 11:33 AM

Quote:

Can someone please give me a little backround on Pom? Sure I knew who he was but I didn't know much about him. Thanks.




Seahawk's initial post in this thread is a pretty good place to start.

Looking at Pom's last 100 posts may give you more insight at what he was like here on the message boards.

http://boards.kusports.com/dosearch.php?...&fromprof=1

He would post on the Football and Basketball boards from time to time "in season", but he was a fixture on the Politics Board.
Posted by: larryb

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 11:44 AM

Thanks 5-10. I was just curious about him the person "off" the boards. My guess is him being in Georgia - not too many people had the opportunity to meet him. Seemed like he lived an interesting life.
Posted by: Shirley

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 12:52 PM

I'd like to thank Seahawk for catching this and Park for calling me now to inform me, since I haven't been reading this forum much lately.

Stunned. Park called me over 2 hours ago, and I'm more stunned now, than I was then.

I have no doubt this is pom. I'm only holding out the slim hope that they died of "other causes", before the apparent cause. I know pom and his wife lived in a somewhat rural setting, and had lots of dogs of their own, being unable to turn away strays.

NAP is right. Pom had family in Hutchinson, and would generally visit them yearly in Sept. to coincide with the Kansas State Fair. Two years ago I was to pick him up at KCI, and share lunch before he proceeded to Hutchinson. I offered to attempt to get some of the usual suspects together for the lunch. But, something came up, he didn't say and I didn't ask, and he didn't visit that year. Then, after his heart surgery last year, he didn't make the trip then, either.

Pom's bypass surgery seemed to be particularly hard on him. I was concerned that it was taking him so long to recover, and the weakening of his voice was alarming. He sounded terrible. And then, he was readmitted to the hospital, and I wasn't sure we'd ever hear from him again.

As others have mentioned, pom was passionately appreciative of any and all "new" sources of information. He was a wellspring of info himself, and he'd sometimes forward me links to articles that he didn't bother to post here. Often, they'd go on for pages and pages, but I was always glad he had sent them, after making it through.

Though pom and I never spoke about the various personalities here, I could tell by the way pom's interaction with badair evolved over time, that he had earned pom's respect. For years and years we've seen pom empty some of his heaviest artillery onto badair, and with very few exceptions, badair remained the gentleman he is, throughout. A number of us could learn a lot from that...

I discovered early on here that I was fortunate to share a similar pov with pom, and wouldn't be (generally speaking) faced with attempting to answer his questions. That pom's main "adversaries" on this forum were so frequently reduced to slurs, epithets, and/or pure-D nonsense, when attempting to parry his posts, made me ever more appreciative of that fact with time, and speaks to the standards pom held himself to.

This is so sad. Despite how his personality came across here, Lothar was always cheery and upbeat when we spoke-a joy to talk to, even after he started sounding like he was 100 years old and death warmed over, in his heavily-accented English. He always maneuvered the conversations around to talking about their dogs, referring to them as if they were almost people.

I only wish now that I'd made more of a consistent effort to stay in touch, rather than so sporadically.

I'm going to miss pom, an awful lot.

"Words matter".

Indeed they do, Lothar. Indeed, they do.

RIP, friend.
Posted by: bpritchett

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 01:00 PM

Thank you, Shirley, for taking time to post that and help me put a face on a valuable contributor to this forum.
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 01:09 PM

I scarcely have the will to argue today.
Posted by: unburnt_orange

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 01:15 PM

That's a beautiful tribute. Thank you for sharing it.
Posted by: larryb

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 01:17 PM

Wonderfully said Shirley! Thanks for sharing that. I think he would be very appreciative of your words.
Posted by: copperhead

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 01:26 PM

+1
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 01:31 PM

Quote:

Wonderfully said Shirley! Thanks for sharing that. I think he would be very appreciative of your words.




Agreed. Though in a way I bet he wasn't too bothered to be called the board "commie" either. It might have been a badge of honor.

Thanks for sharing Shirley.
Posted by: Shirley

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 01:47 PM

Quote:

I scarcely have the will to argue today.




I lost mine days ago, and this isn't going to help.



I just got off the phone with one of Lothar's sons. I told him what a presence pom has been here, and what a void his absence will leave. I took the liberty of expressing all our condolences, and his son was very appreciative.
Posted by: Geezer

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 02:17 PM

Thank you Shirley for saying what many of us are feeling.
Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 02:30 PM

Thanks, shirley for letting the family know how much we valued pom.

And thank you for taking the time to interact personally with an old guy who must have enjoyed that contact.
Posted by: jayhawk96

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 02:49 PM

Shirley, that was lovely.
And, my condolences, especially to you, as you were the closest of all of us to Pom.
Posted by: 5DecadeHawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 02:53 PM

Well said Shirley.

I may actually include a reference to you in my next prayer in hopes that your grief will be eased.

(not trying to start a fight... feel free to laugh)
Posted by: hasbeen

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 02:55 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I scarcely have the will to argue today.




I lost mine days ago, and this isn't going to help.



I just got off the phone with one of Lothar's sons. I told him what a presence pom has been here, and what a void his absence will leave. I took the liberty of expressing all our condolences, and his son was very appreciative.




Thank you for that.
Posted by: LisaT

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 03:27 PM

Quote:

Shirley, that was lovely.
And, my condolences, especially to you, as you were the closest of all of us to Pom.




Well said....I am still speechless....sending thoughts and prayers to the Pom family....surreal.
Posted by: Shirley

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 03:53 PM

Someone's mailbox is full. You know who you are...
Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 04:28 PM

No longer.
Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 05:29 PM

Okay, since I started this off on kind of a low note, let me suggest that we all do something in honor of pom this week.

Watch a soccer match, then we can all discuss it.

Okay, well maybe I'll send a donation to the ACLU in his name.
Posted by: and_one

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 05:39 PM

how about an en-mass contribution to a an animal rescue shelter
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 05:41 PM

Oh goodie! Another attention [censored].
Posted by: and_one

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 05:49 PM

Quote:

Oh goodie! Another attention [censored].




According to the reports, Pom and wife would take in strays - my suggestion was meant to be a positive, not a disgusting play on the terrible COD...
Posted by: Geezer

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 05:56 PM

Has the funeral announcement been posted yet?
That usually contains a statement about donations.
Posted by: parkhawk3319

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 06:03 PM

My favorite part of his story; how Pom got to Kansas and why he left. We all knew he could carry a torch.

Their sons - Mark Schweder, who lives in Aiken, S.C., and York Schweder, from Hutchinson, Kan. - could hardly believe such a thing could happen to their parents, animal lovers who adopted several dogs and cats.

The couple divorced when Mark Schweder was 2 years old, he said. Lothar Schweder left the University of Georgia in 1973 and moved to Kansas. He worked for and retired from the Kansas prison system, York Schweder said, while Sherry Allen stayed at UGA, where she started working in 1974.

Mark Schweder said his father, though a thousand miles away, stayed persistent in talking to his mother. Eventually, he won her back.

They remarried in 2000, when Mark was 32, and the couple moved onto seven acres in Oglethorpe County.



With regards to donations and such see below:

On Saturday, Athens-Clarke County Animal Control helped to transport the Schweders' seven cats and dogs to Madison County Animal Shelter, where they are up for adoption.

"If anyone wants to take care of an animal or even donate funds so they can be boarded, they can get in touch with me," said Nan McMurry, who worked with Sherry Schweder in the Main Library (University of Georgia - Athens) for more than 20 years. "There's not much we can do for them now, but I know how much they would appreciate help with their pets."

Madison Oglethorpe Animal Shelter
Posted by: bpritchett

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 06:28 PM

Thanks for posting the link to the animal shelter. They have easy PayPal giving online, and a place to note what it is for.
Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 06:28 PM

Good idea, park.
Posted by: Geezer

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 06:31 PM

I'll donate an AB's Beef and Pork, Fries, and a Cream Soda but it will take awhile.

RIP Pom.
Posted by: copperhead

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 06:34 PM

And it would be swell if, in the future, the locals took the time to report some hillbilly who abandons his house and a couple of dozen un-neutered and spayed dogs - before they turn feral and someone gets killed - as well as the dogs most likely being destroyed.
If the poms were familiar with this property, I can't imagine for the life of me why they'd want to bring a leashed dog anywhere near it. Just viewing the news video of the dog pack is horrifying.
So many questions.
Posted by: unburnt_orange

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 06:51 PM

There are no words for how terrible and sad this is. I'm glad Lothar and Sherry found the way back to each other for their remaining years.
Posted by: geohawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 06:53 PM

This whole thing seems so surreal. I can not imagine what was going through the poor guy's mind while he was trying to save his wife.
Posted by: jhawk0097

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 07:12 PM

Quote:

My favorite part of his story; how Pom got to Kansas and why he left. We all knew he could carry a torch.

Their sons - Mark Schweder, who lives in Aiken, S.C., and York Schweder, from Hutchinson, Kan. - could hardly believe such a thing could happen to their parents, animal lovers who adopted several dogs and cats.

The couple divorced when Mark Schweder was 2 years old, he said. Lothar Schweder left the University of Georgia in 1973 and moved to Kansas. He worked for and retired from the Kansas prison system, York Schweder said, while Sherry Allen stayed at UGA, where she started working in 1974.

Mark Schweder said his father, though a thousand miles away, stayed persistent in talking to his mother. Eventually, he won her back.

They remarried in 2000, when Mark was 32, and the couple moved onto seven acres in Oglethorpe County.






I liked that bit too Park. Definitely sounds like Pom.
Posted by: Shirley

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 08:33 PM

"My favorite part of his story; how Pom got to Kansas and why he left. We all knew he could carry a torch."

Even by long distance, can you imagine having pom intent on winning you back? (I'm thinking...War of attrition...)

All I'm saying is: The guy could focus.
Posted by: jhwkswn

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 08:59 PM

I don't mean this to be as childish as it sounds, but... think Pom thought he would ever be a headliner on Drudge? A bit ironic, huh?



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Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 10:46 PM

Word, copper. I was thinking that if I'd been the poms I would have planted a whole row of Castor Beans. Or not gone outside without a tazer.
Posted by: 5DecadeHawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/18/09 11:22 PM

Quote:

And it would be swell if, in the future, the locals took the time to report some hillbilly who abandons his house and a couple of dozen un-neutered and spayed dogs - before they turn feral and someone gets killed - as well as the dogs most likely being destroyed.
If the poms were familiar with this property, I can't imagine for the life of me why they'd want to bring a leashed dog anywhere near it. Just viewing the news video of the dog pack is horrifying.
So many questions.






The dogs belong to a man who used to live in the area but was forced to move because of medical problems, neighbors said. A friend would take the former owner to the property to feed the dogs, they said.
Source



In what might be an ultimate irony, Access to the current Health Care System may have played a pivotal role in this incident.
Posted by: 5DecadeHawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 08:08 AM

Some of the latest news stories

Story is going international today. This story from the UK.

Court Orders Euthanization of the dog's that attacked them. Pom's own dogs and cats are up for adoption.

Warning, some descriptions in parts of this story are more graphic than others I've read
Posted by: kellyfenton

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 09:15 AM

To Pom,
Often pedantic, mostly humorless, but always relentless and passionate. All of those things because he seemed to TRULY care about the issues of the day. RIP old man.
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 09:45 AM

One of those reports states that Pom's family had 20 cats and seven dogs?

Good gracious.
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 09:47 AM

Quote:

To Pom,
Often pedantic, mostly humorless, but always relentless and passionate. All of those things because he seemed to TRULY care about the issues of the day. RIP old man.




I don't know about anyone else, but while Pom was, for the most part, pretty humorless, I did notice a little playfulness in his posts these past few weeks. To the point of, dare I say, being funny.

Enough to make me think that perhaps he was feeling better after his surgery. Anyone else notice this?
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 09:48 AM

I have to admit, despite anger and sorrow, that I also feel a little bad for the 5 puppies that were presumably part of the pack of dogs, which were euthanized along with the rest.

But, I am more concerned for the 20 cats and 7 dogs that are left behind from the Pom household. I'll be making a donation toward their upkeep until proper homes can be found.
Posted by: RManFlint

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 09:55 AM

Quote:

In defense of those who spent the majority of their time on this board battling with him, he took it and gave it right back. He knew this was all just a silly game. I doubt he even had any personal ill will against their likes.


BINGO! That's how I felt about him.

Heck, I'll bet we could have had some interesting discussions about Bulgakov over an AB's beef-and-pork sammich, fries and a red cream.
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 10:13 AM

Quote:

Quote:

In defense of those who spent the majority of their time on this board battling with him, he took it and gave it right back. He knew this was all just a silly game. I doubt he even had any personal ill will against their likes.


BINGO! That's how I felt about him.

Heck, I'll bet we could have had some interesting discussions about Bulgakov over an AB's beef-and-pork sammich, fries and a red cream.




Not so much.
Posted by: RManFlint

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 10:16 AM

Quote:

And it would be swell if, in the future, the locals took the time to report some hillbilly who abandons his house and a couple of dozen un-neutered and spayed dogs - before they turn feral and someone gets killed - as well as the dogs most likely being destroyed.
If the poms were familiar with this property, I can't imagine for the life of me why they'd want to bring a leashed dog anywhere near it. Just viewing the news video of the dog pack is horrifying.
So many questions.


No [censored].

How can a dozen feral dogs run around loose? I guess there aren't any ranchers in that part of Georgia. They have a habit of taking care of feral dogs real quick.
Posted by: jayhawk96

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 10:20 AM

I haven't been able to stop thinking (and even dreaming) about this. The cruel irony of how 2 pet lovers died is gutting me.
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 10:22 AM

Strange... night before last I had a dream many of us were gathering for Pom's funeral. I guess my subconscious has an image, however erroneous, of what some of you look like.

It was a beautiful service.
Posted by: RManFlint

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 10:24 AM

Quote:

Word, copper. I was thinking that if I'd been the poms I would have planted a whole row of Castor Beans. Or not gone outside without a tazer.


"Sometimes the pack mentality can play a role. One dog gets aroused and that revs up his buddies," Goldfarb said.

All it takes is one Alpha male in a pack of otherwise docile feral dogs.

There are a number of packs of feral dogs in KCK, especially around the woods in Argentine and Armourdale. I had a pack of about six rather large dogs coming at my when I was getting in my car about five years ago.

Like the quote says, all a pack needs is one vicious leader.
Posted by: jayhawklaw

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 03:26 PM

I just ran across this thread--haven't been around much lately. I am terribly saddened by the story, as the rest of us are. Just awful, awful news.

Thoughts and prayers.
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 03:42 PM

Tragic news to say the least.

Don't be a stranger over here.
Posted by: jayhawklaw

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 03:48 PM

I posted on election night that I probably would wait for the first 100 days of the Obama administration before coming back around.

It's been wonderful. I do miss the cast of characters sometimes, though.

I never met Pom and my low-brow take on politics was probably beneath his mention most of the time, but I still feel a great sense of loss over this story.
Posted by: MrSaturday

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 04:13 PM

Quote:

All it takes is one Alpha male in a pack of otherwise docile feral dogs.





Dogs are very similar to people, only they are more direct. Usually their alpha is a genuine alpha, and is actually leading his mob. In people, they are usually actual cowards who hide behind a microphone or a radio program, inciting the weak-willed and easily led. I think they ought to figure out which dog started all this and name him "Glenn Beck" or "Rush Limbaugh" before they euthanize him. I think Pomeranian would approve.
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 04:18 PM

Knock it off, shades.
Posted by: MrSaturday

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 04:25 PM

I'm not shades, I'm Mr Saturday. Nice to meet you.
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 04:44 PM

Welcome back shades. You were missed in your prolonged multi-hour absence.
Posted by: MrSaturday

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 04:47 PM

Sorry...not shades.
Posted by: xapaktep

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 04:59 PM

This is terrible news. Condolences to the family. "Words matter."
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 05:09 PM

Ah yes... I've now read your 16 posts. Not shades. Like I said, don't be a stranger around here.
Posted by: kellyfenton

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 05:12 PM

Not one Beckett or Though Police reference.
Posted by: shades

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 07:57 PM

Quote:

Not one Beckett or Though Police reference.




Nor even one brief allusion to Kafka's obsessive bureaucratic nightmare? Ask Chikn to point the impostor toward the door.

[For clarification for Chikn, this is satire. It's a joke.]
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 08:03 PM

Quote:

...obsessive bureaucratic nightmare




Take it easy on the health insrance companies, dude.
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 08:19 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Not one Beckett or Thought Police reference.




Nor even one brief allusion to Kafka's obsessive bureaucratic nightmare? Ask Chikn to point the impostor toward the door.




Don't tell me what to do, shades. Quite authoritarian today, aren't we? And on Pom's dedication thread?

How quaint.

(That one's for you, Pom)
Posted by: shades

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 08:35 PM

Don't sweat it, Chikn. My request would have been ruled "illegitimate" in any event.
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 09:23 PM

Typical shades. Gotta have the last word.

And here I thought it was wise of you to stay off this thread.

Giving you too much credit, I'm afraid.
Posted by: shades

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 09:39 PM

I assume that Wisco and Fenton were trying to lighten the mood with their satiric barbs above. Were they wrong, too?

Why not lighten up, man? I don't believe anyone has been disrespectful to Pom on this thread.

I commend you for the thoughtful post you wrote on Page 2 here.
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/19/09 09:40 PM

Again, gotta have the last word, don't you?
Posted by: Geezer

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/20/09 05:44 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/19/georgia.dog.attack/index.html
Posted by: georgiahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/20/09 05:58 AM

This is a terrible story. Pom will be missed.
Posted by: RManFlint

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/20/09 10:05 AM

Quote:

Don't sweat it, Chikn. My request would have been ruled "illegitimate" in any event.


Give it a break, Shades. Please.
Posted by: jayhawklaw

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/20/09 10:30 AM

I could not stop thinking about what the final moments of Pom's life must have been like. Finding his wife dead and then the terror and agony that surely followed.

Can't shake the thought. Absolutely terrible.
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/20/09 10:50 AM

I'd almost have to think that, after finding his wife dead or dying, he didn't have much objection to going, too, if he couldn't save her.

And yes, I probably should have limited my prior comments on this thread to Pom, even though I was not attacking anyone herein. Plenty of other threads.
Posted by: OREAD

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/20/09 12:08 PM

This is horrible news if it was Pom or not, and I pray it was not. The fault here lies with humans as usual, every single bit of it. Those dogs did not just materialize out of thin air and start attacking people. People dump unwanted pets by the roadside or move out and just leave them. When left to their own devices, they revert to wolfpack behavior in order to survive. I think anyone who owns a dog should be forced by law, a legal requirement for ownership to have a microchip put in, and be held fully accountable for any actions of said pet. People are a$$holes, not the dogs.
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/20/09 01:30 PM

Unfortunately I think there's no doubt that this was indeed Pom.

His poor family.
Posted by: Shirley

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/20/09 04:17 PM

Quote:

I could not stop thinking about what the final moments of Pom's life must have been like. Finding his wife dead and then the terror and agony that surely followed.

Can't shake the thought. Absolutely terrible.




Quote:

I haven't been able to stop thinking...about this. The cruel irony of how 2 pet lovers died is gutting me.





Me either, too.
Posted by: jammahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/20/09 05:32 PM

I just read about this late last night, and have been thinking about him and his wife all day long. I have to admit, most of my exchanges on the board with him were usually confrontational, and I pretty much decided several years ago I would never like him. We were pretty much polar oposites on nearly every position.
After reading that he was trying to save his wife, and was a good family man, also a lover of animals, I realized being an internet board advisary is not knowing anybody, this was a man of substance, and would have liked and admired if I had known him.
Posted by: kellyfenton

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/20/09 07:47 PM

After reading that he was trying to save his wife, and was a good family man, also a lover of animals, I realized being an internet board advisary is not knowing anybody, this was a man of substance, and would have liked and admired if I had known him

Well said, jamma. I think we do lose sight of that truth.
Posted by: YESiam

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 01:42 AM

I would like to thank those who have posted kind words with regards to the passing of my father, Lothar Schweder. Many of you knew him as 'Pomeranian' and many of you referred to him as 'pom'. He often spoke of the KUsports.com 'Hawks on Politics' board and his many battles with those whose views that were different from his. I often followed what he had to say.

Some of you may not know why he chose to call himself 'Pomeranian'. I'm sure many of you know that he was born in Germany. He was from the region of Pomerania, formerly part of Germany, now part of northwestern Poland. I heard many stories of his youth and growing up in Nazi Germany, especially being apart of the Hitler Youth. He spoke of his intense hatred of the Nazis and the Hitler Youth. His stories of this time were always interesting.

In the late 50s, he came to the United States and for a time lived in New York. He then came to Lawrence and taught at KU in the mid 60s. He married my mother around this time. Shortly after they married, I was born. We then moved to Georgia and he taught at the University of Georgia. At this time my brother was born. Unfortunately, he and my mother divorced in the early 70s. He then headed back to Kansas where he worked for a time in Salina and then later moved to Hutchinson. He retired in the late 90s from the Hutchinson Correctional Facility. To those of you who are familiar with Hutchinson, he would often hang out at Carl's Bar, all the while, arguing about politics and talking about KU basketball with anyone who would listen, just like with you all here.

All this time, he and my mother continued to be good friends. Eventually, he bought a house in Lexington, Georgia and they remarried. Him and my mother owned 6 acres of wooded land. My father enjoyed creating trails through the woods and he and my mother would walk through them almost everyday with their many dogs. My mother was known for taking strays and giving them good homes before they remarried and my father continued this after they remarried.

While all of story will probably never be known, it seems that my mother was attacked by wild dogs and later died and then my father drove to check on her and he was also attacked. He died fighting. Unfortunately, the sheer number of dogs overwhelmed them.

I would like to thank those who he went back and forth with daily. I would also like to thank 'Shirley' who I spoke to on the phone the other day for taking the time to call and express his condolences. You guys meant a lot to him.

Sincerely,
York Schweder
Posted by: hasbeen

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 02:20 AM

Thanks a lot for stopping by and we're all very sorry for your loss.
Posted by: OREAD

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 02:58 AM

I feel terrible about this and it has been heavy on my mind all day. I am so very sorry for your loss.
Posted by: shades

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 04:01 AM

Thanks for the post. Good thoughts and prayers for you and your family during this difficult time.
Posted by: unburnt_orange

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 05:32 AM

Thank you for sharing those remembrances of your father. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
Posted by: parkhawk3319

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 06:56 AM

Thanks for his story. Few leave a positive mark the way your father has on here.
Posted by: seahawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 07:03 AM

Thank you so much, York, for coming here and telling us about your dad.

Pom mentioned Carl's Bar a couple of times that I can remember. Glad that we could serve as his online version of Carl's after he moved to Georgia.

When I first "met" your dad online, he talked about what a brilliant woman your mother was. His affection and esteem for her were obvious, even in an electronic medium. I was touched by his respect for your mother's professional abilities, as men of his generation were not necessarily reared to hold women with his level of appreciation. As a woman, I always gave kudos to your dad for that.

Listening to their story, it sounds like after spending so much time apart and then getting back together, your parents must have enjoyed a special sweetness in those years together in Georgia.

My heart goes out to you and your brother in this time of sadness.
Posted by: kellyfenton

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 07:10 AM

Thanks York and my sincerest condolences. My sister, it turns out, knew your father when she was working as a probation officer and taking kids up to Hutchinson. She had nothing but good things to say about him, including that he took his job seriously. That hardly surprises me. Pom appeared to be a very serious, very passionate man who we often tweaked for being TOO serious sometimes. But he clearly thought the very serious matters of the day required serious consideration.
Posted by: bpritchett

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 08:19 AM

I'm very sorry for your loss. Thank you for offering us some words in memory and condolence for the loss of a good board companion.
Posted by: 5DecadeHawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 08:48 AM

Thanks York, Well said.

Don't be a stranger. Feel free to stick around and help keep some of the crazies around here in line. We need all the help we can get.
Posted by: jayhawklaw

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 10:17 AM

I'm glad I took another look at this thread today. Thank you, York for sharing some of your memories of your parents with us. As you can no doubt tell, word of your parents' passing has greatly affected a lot of us.

If anything, the impact of losing pom in this little corner of the internet should tell you volumes about your father's ability to enrich the lives and experiences of those around him, even those with whom he disagreed.

I know I am not alone in keeping your family in my thoughts and prayers and I can only hope that the profound sense of loss around here can somehow be solace to you in remembering your father as a great and honorable man.
Posted by: chiknbut

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 12:53 PM

Thank you, York. All my best to you and your family.
Posted by: copperhead

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 01:16 PM

Thanks for the post, York. What an amazing story. You must be awfully proud of your folks.
I'm going to miss your dad on these silly pages. He was a hoot.
My deepest condolences to your family.
Posted by: JFish26

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 01:57 PM

Holy cow...I don't pay attention to this board much, and I thought hasbeen's 'RIP pom" signature was for some run-of-the-mill banning or something.

My condolences, York.
Posted by: WisconsinJayhawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 08/21/09 02:36 PM

Who downgraded this thread from 4 to 3 stars?

It is nice that York thought enough of his father's appreciation for this board to come and share a little with this digital family. I hope we are as deserving of that regard as we believe ourselves to be.

It's a sad time for those of us who knew Pom here, and I can only imagine the difficulty of these days for his family. My heart go out to them, with thanks for including us.
Posted by: horton_hombre

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 09/18/09 02:50 PM

Just learned of this horrific event from Seahawk. Even at this late date, let me add my condolences to the family and to the community on here. When I first appeared on the politics board, Pom was so gracious as to pay me a compliment on my writing style, which made me feel welcome here. I am saddened by his loss.
Posted by: tabortechHawk

Re: I'll admit that I'm ashamed of myself today. - 09/19/09 06:33 AM

You should be.