some good things came out of WVU game

Posted by: casey

some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 02:57 PM

KU has developed a habit of starting terrible but making very good adjustments. The final score doesn't indicate how competitive this game was at the start of the 4th.

Herbert had a huuuuuuge day.

Secondary looked better today than they have recently. Grier put up big numbers, but the secondary wasn't really the reason WVU ran up the huge point total.

Sims' long catch was electric.

Bender was unlucky on the turnovers. He's not a great QB, but he shouldn't get too much grief for the tipped ball INT or for the dumb-luck fumble.
Posted by: dgless21

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 02:58 PM

A loss is a loss.
Posted by: casey

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 03:01 PM

Originally Posted By: dgless21
A loss is a loss.


There are no moral victories, but building a football program is a process.
Posted by: KUCO_VOC

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: dgless21
A loss is a loss.
Casey the troll can GTH.
Posted by: track

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: casey
Originally Posted By: dgless21
A loss is a loss.


There are no moral victories, but building a football program is a process.

Exactly! All in all a pretty entertaining game. The offense is making improvements. The run game was awesome. The defensive secondary played better and tackled much better. The defensive line is still not plugging holes on run plays and not able to apply pressure consistently. All in all not a bad performance and the game was closer in the second half than the score would indicate.
Posted by: KUHawkhead

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 05:25 PM

I agree. I expected a bloodbath, and the start was to what I expected, but I must give credit..this team fought their way back into it, and had they not just laid an absolute turd to start, would've been in a position to win. It sucks to lose, but there was a lot of fight.

We are in a horrid position where we truly can't clean house for another 2-3 years, minus campus getting rapey like Baylor, due to not even being able to find anyone that would be a big enough sucker to take the job.

Keep sawing wood, find someway to be prepared to start a game, and we can knock off another win.

RCJHKU!
Posted by: moose1

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 07:02 PM

I must say the WVU game went better than I expected. If KU had started off better, and finished a couple of those drives, who knows.

The running game was awesome, and the O line played well. Hannon is clearly better than Frazier. I am wondering what they saw in Frazier. Not that I am giving up on the kid, he is still young. In a year or two he could be a stud.

Sounds like the D backs played better. Our D line still is not putting on the pressure I thought they would.

Bender needs to find some confidence early on in games. As I said before I think Bender is the better QB, but may not be what this team needs. Although he did much better at avoiding sacks.

As I said this game was probably better than I expected, which is nice coming off of two bad losses.
Posted by: PbBut

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 07:18 PM

It could have been a lot more interesting if we hadn't given up a pick 6 with 36 seconds left In the half. What looked like a safe call turned into a killer because of awful execution.
Posted by: Jayhawk1952

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 08:08 PM

A loss may be a loss but improvement is improvement. That's what we saw today. At this stage of the game, I'll take a loss with improvement over a win with no improvement. Improvement is what we need and continued improvement will bring wins. The hole we've been in and are trying to get out of almost seems like a bottomless pit. Continued improvement is the only thing that will get us out of it. I still think we're going to surprise someone this year, maybe more than one.
Posted by: INation

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 09:36 PM

I just hope today's game opened coach Beaty's eyes and saw we don't an "Air Raid" offense to be successful on offense. He can run the Mangino spread and be very good.
Posted by: dgless21

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 09:48 PM

At some point, we'll realize that the offense doesn't matter when we give up 7+ yards per play on defense.
Posted by: Kman_blue

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 10:50 PM

Bizarrely enough, I'd say the DL was the most responsible for the 7+ yards per play average. The secondary played their best game of the season so far and the LB's played better too IMO. Not saying any of those units was great or where we need them to be, but rather I thought the DL played the worst of the 3 and they've got the most talent, so it's a bit confusing and disappointing.

Seems like a couple guys aren't playing 100% on the DL to me. Not sure if it's an injury thing or it's a head game thing though. Don't think they're used to all the hoopla/attention and pressure/expectations that was put on them in the preseason and that may be playing a part. Just a guess though.
Posted by: JimWest

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/23/17 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: casey
Originally Posted By: dgless21
A loss is a loss.


There are no moral victories, but building a football program is a process.


Mangino did it in 2 seasons. We need to stop giving so much leeway. It isn't nearly as hard as you ruralites like to pretend.
Posted by: casey

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/24/17 03:22 AM

Originally Posted By: JimWest
Originally Posted By: casey
Originally Posted By: dgless21
A loss is a loss.


There are no moral victories, but building a football program is a process.


Mangino did it in 2 seasons. We need to stop giving so much leeway. It isn't nearly as hard as you ruralites like to pretend.


Weis's destruction of the program was uniquely comprehensive. Whoever his successor, they deserve a little extra leeway to get this right.
Posted by: KUHawkhead

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/24/17 08:28 AM

I have to agree with Casey. I am now watching the game, as we were gone yesterday. The first drive was bizarre. Just pound your dicks into the dirt old Big 8 style football. Why the coaches didn't see the success and stick with this the rest of the game (as we were running it at will) is beyond me. I know it isn't the sexy "Air Raid" offense we like to pretend we run, but it shortens the game, controls the clock, and keeps our D off the field to catch their wind. I have never understood coaches that come in with their offensive philosophy firm in hand before they know what they have as far as position players. Good coaches see what they have, try to recruit to what they want, but use what is going to be MOST successful FIRST.

RCJHKU!
Posted by: KUHawkhead

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/24/17 09:21 AM

Now into the second quarter....why oh why did we stop RUNNING the ball? It was successful therefore we had to abandon it? Absolute idiocy.

RCJHKU!
Posted by: track

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/24/17 06:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Kman_blue
Bizarrely enough, I'd say the DL was the most responsible for the 7+ yards per play average. The secondary played their best game of the season so far and the LB's played better too IMO. Not saying any of those units was great or where we need them to be, but rather I thought the DL played the worst of the 3 and they've got the most talent, so it's a bit confusing and disappointing.

Seems like a couple guys aren't playing 100% on the DL to me. Not sure if it's an injury thing or it's a head game thing though. Don't think they're used to all the hoopla/attention and pressure/expectations that was put on them in the preseason and that may be playing a part. Just a guess though.

Two years ago our defensive line was dominated against most teams. This year we have some size and the guys are holding their position but they are not dominate players in the Gilbert brown or Dana stubblefield sense where they can defeat the offensive lineman. Maybe next year if they stick around.
Posted by: vmlb

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/24/17 08:46 PM

Maybe the coaching staff is learning, that the D is not good. Keep them off the field. You don't do that passing the ball. Scrap the up tempo crap. Don't expose your D to more playing time by limiting the time your O is on the field.

At least this year, we don't have two starting QBs. I still think they chose the wrong one. Every drive in the first half was stalled by either a penalty or a pass play.
Posted by: vmlb

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/24/17 08:55 PM

Why do they bring in new D lineman in the middle of a series? Is it easier for a 300 lb lineman to sprint the 25 yds to the bench or stay in for the play?
Posted by: KUCO_VOC

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/24/17 09:04 PM

So doesn't weis deserve some credit here? He gives Beaty extra years (my guess is 7 total seasons) of futility.
Posted by: bigdogjac

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/24/17 10:53 PM

AMEN VMLB
Posted by: kylecof11

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/25/17 01:08 PM

Originally Posted By: JimWest
Originally Posted By: casey
Originally Posted By: dgless21
A loss is a loss.


There are no moral victories, but building a football program is a process.


Mangino did it in 2 seasons. We need to stop giving so much leeway. It isn't nearly as hard as you ruralites like to pretend.


By playing 4 non-cons a year instead of just 3. And then also playing the Big 12 north for 5 of the remaining 8 conference games. Which at that time, Nebraska was bad, Missouri sucked and Iowa State and CU were not the best in the world. Now KU is playing OU, OSU, UT every year. Not every 3rd year like they did back then.

The new conference has not helped this rebuild at all.
Posted by: dgless21

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/25/17 01:30 PM

Let's not forget part of Mangino's time was against Prince Ron at KSU too, and present day TCU and WVU are upgrades from most of the Mangino era Mizzou, Nebraskas, and Colorados in football.

Still not acceptable to get essentially boat raced by Ohio and CMU.
Posted by: vmlb

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/25/17 01:46 PM

Mangino lovers refuse to see the obvious scheduling difference.
Posted by: kylecof11

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/25/17 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: dgless21
Let's not forget part of Mangino's time was against Prince Ron at KSU too, and present day TCU and WVU are upgrades from most of the Mangino era Mizzou, Nebraskas, and Colorados in football.

Still not acceptable to get essentially boat raced by Ohio and CMU.


This part is true. The CMU game was just like the Ohio game last year. A train wreck from the start. I think that was an anomaly.

But you have to go 3-0 in non-con to even have a shot.
Posted by: JimWest

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/25/17 04:24 PM

All you rural revisionists...

Who was coach at K-State? Snyder
What was KU's record in Big 12? 3-5
Who did KU beat? Missouri, Baylor, Iowa State

The only valid thing any of you have said is the 3 vs 4 noncon games. Except KU played a power conference team in noncon and a Mountain West team too.

KU received no real benefit from scheduling in 2003. The difference was far superior coaching.
Posted by: dgless21

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/25/17 04:37 PM

I was speaking generally about the Mangino era.
Posted by: KUCO_VOC

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/25/17 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: dgless21
I was speaking generally about the Mangino era.
Yes?
Posted by: vmlb

Re: some good things came out of WVU game - 09/25/17 08:41 PM

Originally Posted By: dgless21
I was speaking generally about the Mangino era.


Especially the OB year.